Trinedad

On tv it looked like it to me.

Coach Dave Cloud from Pendleton, you are exactly what I have always thought you were, a class act, and a true gentleman. You are one of the really good guys in this sport. 

On ‎2‎/‎10‎/‎2019 at 1:59 AM, base said:

As an fan today watching near the mat, I thought it was handled poorly. The officials consulted, main official said remove ankle bands and raised Bynums arm in victory. Then a second consult where you must have interjected and it was overturned

I said nothing until the other coach asked the mat officials, and they discussed it, and then they came to me for my opinion. I try very hard not to become part of the show,. Nobody is there to see the scoring official.

20 minutes ago, piscis1956 said:

I know Coach Cloud disagreed, but, at the same time, he also respects the officials’ decision.  He is way too classy of a man to make a scene, no matter how gut wrenching the results may be.

I too disagreed but I realize my opinion could be based on a biased fan’s hoping as much as thinking.  Ha ha

One thing, though, a pin occurs when the ref sees the pin, not when his hand hits the mat as there can be some delay there.  So even if the scorekeeper heard the buzzer before he saw the ref’s hand hit the mat doesn’t necessarily mean the pin didn’t come first.  It would have been good if they had someone tap the ref when time ran out like they do in a lot of matches.

But the bottom line, I assume, is the ref wasn’t sure and so consulted the table and the disinterested scorekeeper made the decision that he thought was right.  I don’t think he needs to feel bad about it as officials can only make calls as they see them.

Tough break for Tremor though.

 

I appreciate your opinion, and Coach Cloud is way to classy to ever say anything, and I am sure next weekend when we meet it will be as if nothing happened. That is exactly what I expect and know he will be like. I will tell you that I did not listen for the sound, but rather the man operating the visible score and clock was counting down from 5 because we knew it was going to be close. I looked instead for the official to start the signal for a fall. I did not see it, but I also realize that if you asked 100 people that call may be a 50/50 split. 

11 minutes ago, LionsFan said:

I have no dog in the fight, that being said, I was standing behind the table during that match and I thought you made the right call. The fall came just after the buzzer.

I also want to point out that not a single thing was ever said by the Pendleton coaches, we each spoke after this on other topics. I want to express how much of a class program they have. 

4 minutes ago, 1prouddad said:

If you genuinely felt you made the right call, then why worry about it? There’s going to be those that are gonna argue the fact, but ultimately you made the call you think was correct. 

I hate being involved like that. I realize that it is part of the job, and I will never shy away from making what I think is the right call. That being said, it is always nice to find out what others thought, and I have thick skin, I will take whatever they have to say. 

8 hours ago, grappleapple said:

Krummen of East Central was down 15-6 to Tremor Bynum of Pendleton. They actually called a pin for Bynum at the end of the second period but then it was determined the pin came after the buzzer. Krummen ends up pinning Bynum in the third.

As the clock official that worked this match, I would be curious what your opinion was. I know it was close, but in my mind it was called after the buzzer. I felt horrible for the kid, but I felt I made the right call. I will take whatever comments come as a result of this. 

that was ugly, we can only hope that he is able to go next week.

i will say this, i was standing behind the scorers table when this happened. all the officials that were there agreed with the call. i am not now, nor have i ever been an official, but i know many of them, and have very candid conversations with them.all of them said it was a good call, but a tough one to make. the kid handled it wish class and dignity, and deserves huge respect for that.

7 hours ago, littlevito said:

That should mean he has  to leave the building, right? If you get tossed?

no, he doesn't have to leave the building, he just cannot go onto the floor the rest of the tourney. i saw him back in the hallways, and told him that was a great call for a coach to get tossed out for. I cannot imagine another coach not losing his mind. in my opinion the right call would have been stalemate and go back to the center. that being said, bad calls are part of the sport, as with any other sport.

Coach McCormik, you are indeed correct, there are two sides to every story, and I have known you for a very long time, and known you to always be willing to do what you could to help a wrestler when they needed the help. I would like to ask you directly what is the schools side of the story on this situation. I am never sure how the IHSAA works, and with the new open school rules in place for non-student athletes it only muddies the issue even more.

you guys do understand that legion and summer baseball does not stop over moratorium and that some h.s. coaches coach these teams all summer except for moratorium week when they have other volunteers step in for seven days.   CAN SOMEONE please explain to me how this is any different?

This is an easy answer. Baseball and AAU basketball are sports that some on this board do not care about, so what those coaches do or dont do have no bearing. I realize it is the exact same thing, and see no issue with it. If the coach is willing to put in the time, and the kids are willing to put in the time, then let them do it.

Wait, did I see something about someone eating M & M's? Where are these and can I have some?

I was thrilled last night when I found out that Paul had won. The Petrov family is a class act. We have had matches with them for year, every time we met it was a very fun and exciting match, but win or lose there was always respect between the two. I look forward every year to seeing him and his dad at state. Dan Gable once said that gold medals are made of hard work, determination, and a hard to find alloy called guts. Well, the Petrovs havee and always will add to that. They add class. Congrats Paul, you worked your tail off for this, and deserve it. Good luck wherever your wrestling takes you from here on out.

Dave Odom

WOW Roncalli falls........that sux

Not if you are a WC fan....lol Actually it looks like it was a great tourney, congrats to all that moved on and good luck next weekend at regionals.

Individule scores - http://www.go-knights.net/documents/2011/12/10/bracketresults.pdf?id=200  

Team Scores - http://www.go-knights.net/documents/2011/12/10/teamstandings.pdf?id=199

Trine placed 4 wrestlers out in Iowa at Wartburg College in the Dick Walker Invitational. The placers were.

Elias Larson 1st place 157

George Markou 2nd at  165

Ryan Pieper 2nd at 184

Nick Odom 4th at 141

12/10 - Trine?s Wrestlers 4th at Wartburg Tournament

WAVERLY, Iowa - The Trine University wrestling team had a solid showing at the Dick Walker Invitational hosted by Wartburg College as the Thunder finished fourth with 71.5 points.

Wartburg, ranked #1 by d3wrestle.com, won the nine team invitational with a team score of 159.5. Trine finished 17 points behind third place University of Dubuque.

Junior Elias Larson (Chicago, Ill./Marion Catholic), the top ranked wrestler by d3wrestle.com in the 157 pound weight class, took home the top spot in his class with a tournament high 21 points before deductions. Larson won his class with a 6-0 win over eighth ranked Cole Welter in the finals. Larson finished the day with three pins, including one in just 55 seconds.

Senior George Markou (Peru, Ind./Peru) at 165 and junior Ryan Pieper (Onsted, Mich./Onsted) at 184 each finished runner-up in their classes. Markou, ranked 11th, scored more points on the day in his class, but fell to second ranked Landon Williams of Wartburg 3-1 in the finals. Markou had three pins on the day, including the fastest of the tournament at just 30 seconds.

In a match-up of top-10 wrestlers, Pieper, ranked seventh, fell to fourth ranked Dylan Azinger from Wartburg 5-3 in the championship.

Junior Nick Odom (Indianapolis, Ind./Warren Central) finished fourth for the Thunder at 141 after scoring a class-high 17 points on the day. Despite falling in his first round match, Odom fought all the way through the consolation bracket before falling in the third place match 12-5. Odom finished the afternoon with three pins.

.  Who gets compliments like this?  Its not like the ISWA was a new organization when folkstyle state started right?

No, they were not a new organization, however in the years my son wrestled in this event his age/weight group participation grew from about 12 when we wentto the 1st one to over 30 by the time he was a junior age group. This event grew in popularity very quickly. I would say that if the ISWA had a problem it was one of not reacting quickly enough to the change in participants and in finding a facility that could handle the number of kids that attended. Can they do things better sure, are they working on them, I am sure, Will they ever run an event in the same manner as the Tof C, I hope not, that is a glorified take down tourney and designed to run as many kids through it as they can in the shortest amount of time. We went to it a few years, there was some great competition, but it was not the end all be all in a way to run an event.

I am really mad that folkstyle state is being held at Warren Central this year.

My sons first trip was to the bloomingotn sports complex, we went from there to the facility on IU's campus to the facility in the old metal stamping plant, to Huntignton. And now that he is in college and not wrestling in this event, they put it in my back yard. I could have saved thousands in gas and hotels over the years.

BTW, I sure do miss all the time we got to spend together as he was growing up. No matter where they hold it, the wrestling community wil find a way to pull it off and make it memorable. Good luck to all those that will be there.

La Quinta just underwent a fairly major over haul about 2 years ago, Candlewood suites is brand new, however I do know that the Fairfield will not have good temperature control in the pool until I get the guys scheduled to install the new a/c unit for them. I dont know about the hotels out at 70 and post. But yes, the smaller hotels in the area could easily be someplace i would rather not stay in. If you go to 70 and post, go north of 70, there is a baymont hotel there that looks to be decent.

Rest. in the area, include all the fast food places, Long horn, Olive Garden, texas road house, red lobster, golden corrall, ect....

If you like Cajun food, there is a little place at 10th and post called Papa Raux, they serve a fantastic Po' boy. They have some funky hours at times, but if you catch them open, be prepared to stand in a line to get your food. People drive from the west side to get one of these sandwiches.

Not a problem, just trying to show some east side hospitality.

There are many more hotels near here. Those are the ones I could think of off the top of my head, I just had to find the numbers is all.

I dont have a kid wrestling there any longer, but I am sure at some point I will be in and around. When there is wrestling going on over at the school, I am usually pretty close.

A partial list of hotels in the very near area I.E. 5-10 minutes from the school

Marriott 352-1231

Candlewood Suites 7050 E. 21st

Fairfield Inn 7110 E 21st

Ramada Inn 357-9277

Quality Inn 352-0481

Knights INN 353-8484

Always Inn 356-1036

Budget Inn 353-9781

Comfort Inn 359-9999

Hampton Inn 359-9900

Days Inn 899-2100

La Quinta Inn 359-1021

Sorry, I did not find a phone number for a few of the locations, but I am sure the internet will help you out there.

There is a Star bucks just south of 21st on Shadeland, if you go in, just tell them that Dave sent ya. They know me in there. There is another down on Washington Street near Mitthoffer, but they dont know me in there.

The east side has every kind of dining that your budget will allow if you are seeking a chain. For fine dining, you will have to drive.

At Shadeland and 21st street, you have Marriott, LaQuenta, Cambria suites, Ramada.

At 70 and Post, there are a number of hotels as well. All of these are within 5 minutes from the high school

Having watched WC a few times this year, they will have 1-3 kids in the finals, and advance 4-6 to the regionals, and 1, maybe 2 to SS, and might get one to state. This is a very young WC team, and they are going to get better, but it will take time. The coaches they have there have all the credentials you would like to see, and if they can get some of the boys walking the halls in this school to come out for wrestling, the school could be a real force in wrestling for years to come. They are not there yet, but soon.

Roncalli is going to run away with this sectional and it wont be close from the 2nd round on. As for who will come in 2nd, it does not matter since none of the other teams will be moving on. I suspect Roncalli to be wrestling at Center Grove at the end of the year. There will be some great wrestling, and I wish I could be there but alas I will hopefully be making a trip to Chicago to watch my son wrestle up there.

Good luck to all the kids this weekend, and win or lose, if you walk off the mat and know that you gave it everything, you win.

Coach Thornton has always been a class act everytime we have ever had the pleasure to run into him. My son and I wish him the best, and a speedy recovery. Get well soon Coach.

David and Nick Odom

Danny Williams, 2 time state champ for Warren, coached Wright and Johnson jones last year in his 1st year as a head coach. Heck of a way to start your coaching career.