SunDevils
-
Posts
111 -
Joined
-
Last visited
-
Days Won
5
Content Type
Articles
Coach
Teams
Team History
Wrestlers
Wrestler Accomplishments
Dual Results
Individual Results
Team Rankings
Individual Rankings Master
Individual Ranking Detail
Tournament Results
Brackets
College Signings
Media
State Bracket Year Info
Team Firsts and Lasts
Family History
Schedule-Main
Schedule-Details
Team History Accomplishments
Current Year Dual Results
Current Year Tournament Results
Forums
Events
Store
Downloads
Everything posted by SunDevils
-
Carmel and Center Grove voted out of the MIC!
SunDevils replied to navy80's topic in Past Discussions
What incentives does Cathedral have for joining a conference? At least when I was in high school they were independent. I assuming that is still the same. Unlike many other states Indiana lets everyone into play off tournament. Cathedral can continue to play their independent schedule in football and compete against top notch out-of-state competition and in-state competition. It would seemingly be a foolish move to join a conference regardless of who anchors it. For a team like Cathedral they shouldn't join unless forced. -
Beech Grove had the Bradley (3) & Harris (2) brothers each family carrying at least 1 state title and multiple state placements. The Howe brothers at Hanover Central. I feel like anytime you have Andrew Howe it warrants your name being on the list - at this point still in my opinion the best overall wrestler in Indiana history. The Humprey's of LN. Quite good as well. However, I feel like the Lee's at EMD (assuming they each wrestled a full high school career) or the Tsirtsis brothers have to be the top siblings overall.
-
I agree wholeheartedly. Unless the IHSAA like the NCAA is forced to relinquish some of its power then nothing will change. Since that would solve two of the major issues - travel and transfer.
-
I am not interested in a class wrestling debate nor did I mention it. Whether or not I believe classing would help or not is irrelevant. There are other issues that seem more fixable than revamping a entire system at this point and time. For example, 1) travel restrictions - allow our athletes to compete at major national tournaments; 2) coaching - unless everyone wants to pretend all coaches are created equal; 3) open districts - if a senior at Brownsburg or Perry can't make varsity why not let them go to another smaller school unprohibited which would help the other team; 4) cost - off season tournaments and club wrestling can get expensive some families can simply not afford it - develop a scholarship program to help subsidize the cost; 5) scholarship opportunities - I work in higher education at major institutions and the scholarship dollars for wrestling are not there compared to the obvious - football and basketball. Educating athletes on value of GPA, how to apply for merit based scholarships, how to choose a relevant major, and optimizing exposure is vital. However, it is just assumed the best way to increase exposure is national tournaments. I agree athletic participation is down, especially in contact sports. And wrestling above all else is the most difficult on an athlete mentally and physically. But there are solutions that don't involve the "c word".
-
I guess those 42 teams should have just gotten better and put in more work right? That’s usually the argument made on these boards. I agree with what Y2 and others have already said it is easy to look at top tier talent and think “things are great” but it then makes it easier to ignore other shortcomings.
-
NJ, PA, IL, and OH are universally considered to have more depth and talent - national rankings prove this. Therefore, generally speaking more talent/depth regardless of tournament format equals a more difficult tournament. My initial thought is don’t conflate the ideas of degree of difficulty with margin for error. I guess if you see a lot more DNP and 6-8 state placers start to dominate national tournaments or IHPO then your point might be stronger. Indiana is a strong wrestling state and getting better all the time. But the depth still isn’t comparable to some of its neighbors.
-
Thanks I completely missed that.
-
Obviously Snyder is not listed in this tourney. But legitimately asking, can Gable give Snyder a run for his money? Or is Snyder still the odds on favorite? I would assume Snyder is the favorite in that match. But just legitimately curious.
-
Isn’t Kelvin Jackson from first LSU then Iowa State? Isn’t he a Michigan high school athlete?
-
I’m not sure where Nick Lee ranks, but he is stellar. Taking in high school and college career combined it seems pretty obvious that Andrew Howe is number 1. And he might have earned gold if not for Burroughs. There is a strong argument for Parris being top 5 given his high school, college, and international accomplishments thus far- and if it weren’t for Gable he is easily a national champ, possibly 2x over. As it sits right now I’d go 1) Howe; 2) Escebedo; 3) Nick Lee; 4) Parris; 5) Tsirtsis. But you still have a lot of great talent out there that may finish their college careers out and enter that top 5 category: Joe Lee, Brayton Lee, Chad Red (assuming he uses a 5th year), Micic, and Davison. Please forgive me, I know I am missing some top notch talent. And you can’t forget Reece Humphrey if you take high school and college career combined.
-
Growing Small School Wrestling - with or without classing
SunDevils replied to ghughes1974's topic in Past Discussions
Lack of personal understanding (or preference) doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be considered. Also, why does classed track make sense? If you are fast, you are fast regardless of school size. Or if you can jump, then you can jump. And anyone can train by themselves sprinting or running, right? They don’t need teammates to get better since it is an individual sport.... maybe the larger schools have better resources to help those track athletes run better? Like better access to elite coaches and better weight rooms. But then again, why class anything ever? Don’t rule out potentially good proposals- especially those with good intentions and inviting conversation via a simple lack of understanding. -
95% of the time it would seem that the bad draw is drawing into an EMD wrestler as opposed to vice versa. I'm sure most everyone else in the state isn't happy to draw into an EMD wrestler. Especially, when it was the Lee factory for about 6-7 years. Which speaks to the greatness of said program.
-
Not necessarily saying that. However, you wouldn’t receive a protest from me.
-
What’s even more remarkable is some coaches couldn’t solve a proof (geometry) or complete basic algebra but a majority can seed a bracket.
-
I really like this decision. I think wrestlers should pick the most elite academic and wrestling rich program they can get into. Northwestern should top the list of most students - especially those in the Midwest.
-
I hope he joins the Sun Devils but all things considered I wouldn't blame him at all if he goes to Princeton! The long-term benefits after wrestling will be amazing. Granted he will likely have a career in wresting, just like Andrew Howe, but nonetheless going to Princeton is great decision if wrestling doesn't work out (heaven forbid).
-
I hope you're right since I do not want to see another college season impacted.
-
I hope you are correct, however, currently Japan is leading the charge on making a vaccine. And started testing it on June 30. However, but it will not be released to public (pending successful testing) until July 2021. Unless American medicine or UK medicine has a massive breakthrough a vaccine released to the public this year is unlikely. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/06/30/national/science-health/japan-first-coronavirus-vaccine-clinical-test-starts/
-
ASU programs being dropped wasn't a surprise. There were a lot of factors surrounding that decision and fundraising is not what continues the program. The university president instituted many changes, including a coaches salary cap, relatively speaking it focused mostly on football. But most institutions won't go to such measures. Part of the reason some of these programs fail is due to the absurd coaches salaries.
-
And those pay outs come from the Conferences and TV networks- not from the universities. A delayed football season, would mean less revenue generated among conferences. Which means less profit sharing between each team in the conference. And “cupcakes” (or small schools with less resources) as well as major universities with programs on the fringe financially would be forced to stop. However, the good news is, as of right now, the PAC 12 only foresees a delay in practice schedule and condensing pre-season workout programs. Which means football season theoretically is on course to start as planned in the Fall.
-
As someone who works for a major institution and has worked for many major institutions trust me college football money for a vast majority of institutions is fools gold. If it were not for profit sharing from conferences most programs even within the BIG 10 and 12, as well as the PAC-12, and ACC would not be operating in the black. Michigan, Ohio State, Wisconsin, and Nebraska football are carrying more than just their own programs. They are carrying the entire B1G with Indiana and Michigan State basketball both contributing a lot financially. The only conference in football where a majority of their college football programs operate in the black is the SEC. Programs that were already on the fringe of being cut, or considered being cut, will now likely be cut if there is a delay in the start of the football season. Or substantial revenue lost from people unwilling to fill the stadiums.
-
In the case of colleges, the NCAA doesn't drop a program, only in extreme circumstances (and even then Penn State football just faced numerous sanctions). Side note: Title IX is one of the reasons Penn States football team did not get dropped because if they would have dropped the football team then 80 scholarships for female athletes would have also been removed. They can issue postseason bans and even limit the number of scholarships but they do not drop a program. Also, coaches and athletes at programs that are smaller typically realize they are on a year to year shoe string budget since most college football programs operate in the red, not the black, despite what the NCAA would lead everyone to believe. Additionally, at the college level fundraising occurs every single year (and if you pay attention to your undergraduate/graduate universities call campaigns, realistically every quarter). A last ditch effort to fund raise and save a program on the fringe for one year is like utilizing a band-aid when stitches are absolutely necessary.
-
The NCAA and athletic conferences are wise to postpone making a decision about football. They need to wait as long as they can before making the decision. Same is true of high schools. However, I can tell you the fear within the PAC 12 is that a few schools might pull the trigger early on this decision (prematurely in my estimation) in which case it will cause a snowball effect forcing the rest of the conferences hand.
-
Also, a 15/13 or 16/14 scenario could incorporate a lot of strategy. Coaches could depending on their sectionals could really impact the state tournament if they use wise discretion and implement their two extra wrestlers at weight classes they are likely to advance. Which means smaller teams could get more points in the state tournament and could lead to a more diverse team invite list to A and AA of the ISWCA tournament.
-
If you have a smaller number of weight classes for smaller schools then Indiana would be forced to class. And based on some of the previous forum conversations heaven forbid Indiana ever follow suit with its surrounding mid-western wrestling states and class wrestling. My guess is the frustration, panic, and sadness would trump the response of COVID.
