casualwrestlingfan

Should be 15 with the current 14& with a class at 250lbs thrown in the mix.

No, an imaginary Swiss Alps, but I like where you took it.

Again, IHSAA get off your backs and adopt this tournament & work with the IHSWCA! This could be like the IHSAA football playoffs format with teams with 7+ weight classes filled.

Cannot take credit for something WZBD 92.7 FM has been doing for years. All the credit to them for Indiana's #1 County slogan. I bet Hendricks County doesn't have an imaginary mountain either!

Adams County is Indiana's #1County. Our license plates (well my farm truck anyway) and radio station says so! Rex and Dane @decbell1 can verify that WZBD has that little slogan.

Why the IHSAA needs to recognize this and have it exactly like the football tournament. All in for teams that have 7+ weights filled.

Sounds like I need to get family members into both this and The Fort. Is it allowed to be in both?

Yes and you can have 15 weights and an easier first tie breaker 8 over 7. Could also create a different team dual tournament where only teams with 8+ are considered and have a tournament like football does, As for normal dual meet you could have 2 intermissions to get fans and student body more involved similar to hockey.

Gable is just in another class. Go Gophers!

I may have been to the state finals in the real early 90s but not much memory. Anything 96/97 and after I can remember better. (Born in Dec of 90)

As mentioned, Bellmont and Mater Dei were the bullies of their sectional, regional, and semi state areas like NC. They had many individuals battling for individual titles. Also fought battles in the single class team state duals tournaments. There was no love loss but there was and is respect. They even took the rivalry to the basketball state championship (which Mater Dei prevailed).

Mater Dei vs Bellmont

I'm wondering if school size or school ranking would be the best. You could have 4A & 3A schools that aren't that competitive and you could also have a few 1A & 2A schools that are really competitive compared to the norm. I think that is another factor to weigh in.

No offense on my end! You did 1A proud with your champion. Even though I'm just a fan, I'd love to figure out a solution to help the smaller schools compete and have better numbers!

Feel free to contact me offline, but I'm just a fan of the sport and was a 1 year senior wrestler that didn't do so hot! I had wrestled in youth but was born in a wrestling/basketball family and tried to do both and failed at both! I just want to see the sport grow! I believe @Thor could get you in contact with Coach Gaskill. I could tag @jetwrestling and @decbell1who may be able to get in touch and have more say than I could ever dream about. Edit I saw you changed SA to AC @jetwrestlingwould be whom you're looking for!

I get what you are after, but time after time the biggest issue is the 18+1. No way should we mix the class and single class individual tournaments together in my opinion. Also do not like the idea of using the individual tournament as a means to determine the team dual tournament either. We need to have 3 separate tournaments period! My biggest complaint of the old single class dual tournament was the individual sectionals determining which teams advanced. For the classed individual tournament, we should have 5 to 6 classes. Many in the wrestling community will be opposed to that as well. As I mentioned above, break down into 1A-4A of 64 teams (assuming the weight class has no forefeits). 5A 32 teams (same assumption) and 6A 24 (teams). For 1A-4A you would have 4 semi states that had 16 wrestlers each. The top 4 placers with wrestle backs would go to the 1A-4A classed individual finals that would have wrestle backs as well. For 5A you would have 2 semi states with 16 wrestlers and wrestle backs. The top 4 from each would advance to 5A individual finals where the 8 wrestlers would wrestle with wrestle backs. 6A would be similar to 5A but each semi state would have 12 with wrestle backs. Each classed individual tournament is 2 weeks that can be done in the end of December beginning of January before the single class individual tournament. For the classed team duals, we need the number of teams in each class that can field either a mandatory 7 weight classes or 8. From then we can break down the classes based off of enrollments and what I call the Mater Dei choice. Treat it just like the football tournament. Let's say every team in each of the 4 classes could fill the mandatory weights and the classes are the same currently. So 1A & 2A would be like 128 team brackets, 3A the 64, and 4A could be rat tailed into a 32 team bracket. 1A & 2A have 8 sites of 16 teams in single elimination. Winner of each 8 would make up the state finals. In 3A have 8 sites of 8 and the winners move on to the finals. 4A have 4 sites with 9 teams and the top 2 from each site move on. Champs of each site get a runner up from another site (hopefully the rankings puts the top champ with "worst" runner up). I'd run these right after the classed individual tournament. For the single class individual tournament, I'd keep the format similar except with wrestle backs for each week and run it after the classed team dual tournament most likely putting us in March. I do agree with balancing sectionals out more but still staying with geography. Maybe so many sectionals can have so many of each class. However, I'm not sure it's really going to matter too much. The cream rises to the top more often than not.

So if 312 is the correct number of teams in 4 classes, why not just go to 6 like football for classing the sport? 1A through 4A having 64 teams, 5A having 32, and 6A having 24. That could make it much easier for team dual and individual classed tournaments. I think that would grow the sport in the 1A & 2A current fields that would become the new 1-4. Don't get me wrong, I want all 4 tournaments (2 classed and 2 single class).

Pass, but I do think maybe schools should encourage Greco Roman and Freestyle as club type sports for other seasons. Maybe have summer teams that do both as well as Folkstyle. Keeps the kids out of trouble and active.

Interesting idea, but I don't see them even entertaining the idea to be honest. Not a bad idea, but I personally like to see other ideas happen before this. Also what are the stats on how many of those teams in each class can fill at least 7 or more weight classes to be considered a team? The biggest change is that we need to eliminate the 18 duals +1 tournament.

Maybe a 1x free transfer and then anything after that is scrutinized. I believe that is similar to the NCAA's new rule to a degree.

I guess when I say uniformity, meaning that those situations are covered with stipulations for reasons of being open, closed, or partially opened. There may be, I haven't looked into any of it.

Thanks for the clarification. Once again another issue of not having uniformity in such matters across the state.

Yep, but I do believe they have their own association, but I have no clue about any rules for it. Indiana has open enrollment for education correct? If that is correct, then any by-laws the IHSAA has should follow that for athletics in my opinion. Unless you can prove that an athlete is receiving impermissible benefits, any and all transfers should be fair game. It removes the whole argument about parochial/private/charter schools vs public schools. After all, it is just a sport at the end of the day.

Is there somewhere pinned that I've missed quickly skimming over the board that has the data of how many teams have at least 7 wrestlers in the line up and is broken down by each class? Is there any quick place to see all of the teams in each class (1 or more wrestlers) and what semi state they would fall into?

For the tenth million time, this is why the IHSAA needs work with the IHSWCA and we can have our cake and eat it too! No reason why this cannot be done to have both tournaments other than the IHSAA puts stupid match limit rule. I believe I read on another message board or here where their were wrestlers getting 60 to 70 matches a year. We get what maybe 40 to 45 tops?