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Chad Red Jr/Sr both have displayed on several occasions acts not becoming of an coach and athlete that respects the sport and opponents. There is no denying that he's extremely talented and earned his ranking and place in Indiana wrestling history. The reason some fans don't care for him is because of his demeanor and lack of humbleness after winning matches. The Red's have the "ME" mentality. This isn't the first time they've acted like this and if you've followed them, you would know that. Hopefully when Chad Red Jr attends NE that Coach Manning and Coach Burroughs change his attitude when it comes to respecting the sport of wrestling and opponents. Hopefully his current mental training doesn't affect his collegiate career because he's to talented not to be a multiple NCAA AA!

Micic competed last year taking 5th at the same weight at 2013 Fila Nationals, so he improved big time. If he can make 121.25 again next year, he'll most likely face Tomasello again and improve on his performance.

Congrats jtsirtsis on your NCAA championship title.

Not a shot at you at all, I just assumed that you was a D1 wrestler. I don't think I'm underestimating them at all. I know that it takes some time for HS athletes to adjust to college. With elite wrestlers working out with more college wrestlers these days, the transition has shorten by months if not years. I just saw a post by MCKAJC about Micic working out in the IL room, sounds like Micic is more than ready to take over the 125/133# spot. Rather he'll be able to do that, only time will tell. It's all good, we just have difference of opinion and that's what the forums are for.

Fair enough. I can only go by what my personal experience is with my son practicing with different levels of college athletes. Also, I know how hard it is going from HS to college but just not in a wrestling practice room. So what your saying, from your personal experience in a D1 level practice room, not necessarily at NW, but a 149/157# will go all out against a 125/133#? That almost seems risky due to size difference, especially if the heavier wrestler is trying to make a point.

So let me get this straight. Everyone who's opinion is that Micic can AA his true freshman year is invalid unless they wrestled in college? What's funny is that you're assuming that I know nothing about college practice rooms just because I didn't wrestle in college. Do I know the daily grind of D1 college practice environment, no but I'm sure neither do 99% of wrestling forum posters. What if I took my son to a couple top 5 D1 college room to workout and he beat the type of wrestlers previously mentioned? He's also rolled around with NCAA round of 12/16 and AAs at the same practices and needless to say, didn't fare as well. In fact, we're even blessed to have additional wrestlers along with current AAs who come home to visit and practice at least several times during the season because they want to stay in shape. What i'm learning during these practice sessions is that I know that my son has benefited from the latter competition in order to reach whatever goal he sets for himself. No one is questioning the toughness of the competitors in the practice room, it's about rather or not those wrestlers can help top ranked wrestlers achieve AA status. I personally know a current NW wrestler and he's a hard worker and very competitive but at the end of the day, he's not a D1 AA caliber wrestler. This young man has been in the room for 3 years now and when he comes back home to visit, always gives back to the club that he's been involved with for years. I don't care if a wrestlers goes 0-100 during his collegiate career, sticking it out for 4 or 5 years shows toughness in itself. As far as Tsirtis being in the room, sure that helps Bryce Brill because they'll be close to the same size but Micic will be greatly undersized. Since I didn't wrestle, I guess that's an invalid point as well. Tsirtis will be able to offer him valuable advice and etc but he'll be to big to go all out when it comes to live sessions against a 125#/133# wrestler. All i'm saying is simply this, competing against ncaa qualifiers and AAs will get you farther in any sport than the opposite of the spectrum. I can separate the difference between toughness and accomplishments and not make it personal.

Like majority of the posters on this forum, no, I didn't wrestle in college.

Of course I'm not saying going to NW is a mistake. What I am saying is that NW doesn't have the depth in the room currently to maximize Micic talent. Hopefully with the #1 recruiting class coming in next year, additional talent will see NW potential and want to be part of that NW wrestling, which will increase depth in the process. Do the research yourself and you'll see that my points are valid. If you don't have a couple of guys in your room to push you every single day, it's hard to reach your full potential. NW is a institution who's admission standards are high so it's not for everyone. NW has a room of about 20 wrestlers compare that to the top wrestling schools who seem to average about 35 wrestlers per team. Look at some of the top 125# or 133# wrestlers teammates. A lot of those wrestlers would start for other teams, NW included. Rather Micic becomes an AA or not, the education that he'll be receiving from NW is big in itself. Everyone who committed to NW has there reason so it can't possibly be a mistake.

Not diminishing any experience whatsoever. You can't have wrestling partners who are sub pare and expect those same wrestlers get you where you need to be in order to beat the Nico Megaludis, Nick Roberts, RyanTaylor, Evan Silver, Cory Clark, Thomas Gilman, Jesse Delgado and etc. Everyone likes to say "Iron sharpens Iron", who in the room right now will push Micic to another level? Now if Northwestern had Brandon Precin in the wrestling room, then Micic would be better trained for the names mentioned above. I mean zero disrespect when commenting on the current light weights but let's face it, they are far from being AAs and AAs or national qualifiers is what all these 2014 recruiting class wrestlers needs to compete against on a daily basis in order to maximize their talent. At least Tsirtis has Matt Storniolo, a multiple AA to work out with on a daily basis. Just my 2 cents.

The current 125# & 133# wrestlers have a combined record of 53-57. The 125# is 2 wins above 500 and the 133# is 6 losses below 500. Their records aren't impressive so I would assume that Micic would have an excellent chance at starting as a true freshman. My question is why would he want to when you consider his competition in the room. No offense to the current 125# & 133# but with records like theirs, seems like Micic isn't going to be ready to compete against current 125# AAs. Micic would benefit from a red-shirt year. In 2015-2016 season, he can be in the lineup with Sebastian, Brill, Tsirtis and whoever else steps up their game.

I'm a Micic fan just like the rest of his fan base but to say that a true freshman will be able to compete not only against 2x NC champ Delgado but against the likes of Garrett & Megaludis, seems far fetched. Tsirtis didn't have the depth at 149# like 125# had imo. Next year Micic will also have to face Gilman & Peters (who owned him at Fila) & Cruz as well if he doesn't redshirt. If Micic doesn't redshirt, I think Micic AAing would be big but I don't see a top 4 finish 1st year in, jmo.

Thanks for helping me locate the video. Nick Lee appears to still only have that one takedown and Micic shut it down. After watching the match, it's no surprise that he lost the match based on his lack of takedown shots and shot defense. Micic has multiple options when it comes to takedowns. I was surprised that he got rode out the way he did.

Is the Micic vs Lee matched posted anywhere online?

If your talking about his win against "some of the best in Missouri", by the name of John Spires, not even close. There is a reason why Spires isn't wrestlng 126# this season. Spires will probably finish 4-6 at state this year. He's a competitive wrestler but not a wrestler I would use as an example to justify Lee current status.

Yes, seriously. Everyone was talking about Davis possibly stepping up to the plate and challenging Micic and Lee but based on the recent results, that's not going to happen. charger.dad, why don't you tell me what other 126# wrestler is going to possibly defeat Micic or Lee? Is the remaining of the wrestlers competitive, yes, amongst themselves. I mean zero disrespect to the rest of the field but come on, keep it real. You have those types of situation where you have the obvious top 2 and then everyone else.

I'm sorry but Boston shouldn't be ranked #1 over Pletcher period. Beating Russell in a 17 minute match proves nothing. Don't get me started on Boston. That match was 2 years ago and fans need to let that match go. Both Lee and Micic are top notch wrestlers for sure but everyone seems to be fogetting that outside of them two, the weight class is not that competitive. So all the domination that these two wrestlers are putting on the competition isn't that impressive if you really think about it. When they meet in the semi-finals match at state, then we'll know who the top dog is and the finals match won't be competitive. Micic wins by no less than 4 points.

Your right about Voss, Ganger & Olsen but don't recall them ever breaking the top 10 and they never stayed in the rankings for long. I think they are more of a reach to be used to jump in the rankings.

Thanks for researching that info. I'm surprised the numbers are so low. Would you agree or disagree that had Lee attended Super32 and placed he would be ranked? I have no doubt he would be ranked.

His placement at those events are very solid. The actual problem is not the weight that he competed at, it's the competition that he competed against. The only ranked wrestler he competed against at Fargo was Zahid and he lost to him and dominated everyone else. The rest of the competition has never been ranked. At Fila Cadet, he lost to Sean Fausz and beat some solid competition but once again, no ranked names. It's not his fault that the competition wasn't there but it is what it is. I completely understand why he would go to Flia Cade & Cadet Nationals but in order to get ranked, the better choice might've been a pre/post season folkstyle event. FloNatonals had 3 ranked wrestlers in the bracket. Super32, all 8 placers are ranked. Placing in the Super32 bracket gets him on the board for sure. I'm sure if anyone wanted to take the time to research, they could find ALOT of incoming freshman who was ranked above 113# going into HS. jmo

i agree, scenario #2 is just outright out of the box thinking. If Micic was to lose (which I don't think he will), he would still be top 5 for sure. Now Lee's ranking would be harder for me to figure out. Not quite sure how you can be a top 10 wrestler based off 1 win, even if that win is against a debatable #1 wrestler. I think if Lee wins, he's a 11-15 at best.

He will definitely be getting an excellent education.

I saw your post about tOSU, NU, Havard & Iowa. I can see why Micic would choose NU. Harvard (Brad Perkins = animal), Iowa (Gillman & Clark = obvious) and tOSU (Nathan Tomasello = beast) would've not been a good fit with all that talent and the fact that they are under classman. NU needs another 125# to step in after Micic redshirt year. Makes perfect sense.

I don't think that him attending Fila Junior Nationals had anything to do with colleges calling him in July. He didn't beat any names. He beat a college wrestler who was at best 500. Maybe they liked the fact that he stepped up to challenge older wrestlers, I don't know. Micic is ranked #1 because what he's accomplishment in freestyle period. Micic has 1 win against a top name and that was Boston.

Nice post. I went back and looked up Nick Lee's accomplishments via Trackwrestling. I see he has a couple of loses in the past year but other than that, most of his wins are against non-ranked wrestlers. A win against Zahid Valencia would've been big. Zahid just knows how to win period. I know that trackwrestling doesn't have all the results but could someone make an argument why Nick Lee should be ranked and his resume that would have one to believe that he's better than Micic? I've read the Davis common opponents but surely there has to be more to that argument than one matchup. I'm not talking about local competition because lets be honest, the national dominance at 126# in IN isn't there. Is Nick Lee a Cadet again next year if he attends Fargo? If so, it's going to be hard to move up the rankings. Juniors usually get the nod over Cadets when it comes to rankings.

I see that a Nick Lee fan posted the below on Flo Rankings under the 126# ranking. Flo or Intermat have him ranked. For all you Lee fans who think that he's better than Micic, why isn't Lee ranked? Where should he be ranked? lookupatthelights 1 hour ago nick lee is a beast. I practice with him at time to time