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Chad Red Jr/Sr both have displayed on several occasions acts not becoming of an coach and athlete that respects the sport and opponents. There is no denying that he's extremely talented and earned his ranking and place in Indiana wrestling history. The reason some fans don't care for him is because of his demeanor and lack of humbleness after winning matches. The Red's have the "ME" mentality. This isn't the first time they've acted like this and if you've followed them, you would know that. Hopefully when Chad Red Jr attends NE that Coach Manning and Coach Burroughs change his attitude when it comes to respecting the sport of wrestling and opponents. Hopefully his current mental training doesn't affect his collegiate career because he's to talented not to be a multiple NCAA AA!

Micic competed last year taking 5th at the same weight at 2013 Fila Nationals, so he improved big time. If he can make 121.25 again next year, he'll most likely face Tomasello again and improve on his performance.

Congrats jtsirtsis on your NCAA championship title.

Not a shot at you at all, I just assumed that you was a D1 wrestler. I don't think I'm underestimating them at all. I know that it takes some time for HS athletes to adjust to college. With elite wrestlers working out with more college wrestlers these days, the transition has shorten by months if not years. I just saw a post by MCKAJC about Micic working out in the IL room, sounds like Micic is more than ready to take over the 125/133# spot. Rather he'll be able to do that, only time will tell. It's all good, we just have difference of opinion and that's what the forums are for.

Fair enough. I can only go by what my personal experience is with my son practicing with different levels of college athletes. Also, I know how hard it is going from HS to college but just not in a wrestling practice room. So what your saying, from your personal experience in a D1 level practice room, not necessarily at NW, but a 149/157# will go all out against a 125/133#? That almost seems risky due to size difference, especially if the heavier wrestler is trying to make a point.

So let me get this straight. Everyone who's opinion is that Micic can AA his true freshman year is invalid unless they wrestled in college? What's funny is that you're assuming that I know nothing about college practice rooms just because I didn't wrestle in college. Do I know the daily grind of D1 college practice environment, no but I'm sure neither do 99% of wrestling forum posters. What if I took my son to a couple top 5 D1 college room to workout and he beat the type of wrestlers previously mentioned? He's also rolled around with NCAA round of 12/16 and AAs at the same practices and needless to say, didn't fare as well. In fact, we're even blessed to have additional wrestlers along with current AAs who come home to visit and practice at least several times during the season because they want to stay in shape. What i'm learning during these practice sessions is that I know that my son has benefited from the latter competition in order to reach whatever goal he sets for himself. No one is questioning the toughness of the competitors in the practice room, it's about rather or not those wrestlers can help top ranked wrestlers achieve AA status. I personally know a current NW wrestler and he's a hard worker and very competitive but at the end of the day, he's not a D1 AA caliber wrestler. This young man has been in the room for 3 years now and when he comes back home to visit, always gives back to the club that he's been involved with for years. I don't care if a wrestlers goes 0-100 during his collegiate career, sticking it out for 4 or 5 years shows toughness in itself. As far as Tsirtis being in the room, sure that helps Bryce Brill because they'll be close to the same size but Micic will be greatly undersized. Since I didn't wrestle, I guess that's an invalid point as well. Tsirtis will be able to offer him valuable advice and etc but he'll be to big to go all out when it comes to live sessions against a 125#/133# wrestler. All i'm saying is simply this, competing against ncaa qualifiers and AAs will get you farther in any sport than the opposite of the spectrum. I can separate the difference between toughness and accomplishments and not make it personal.

Like majority of the posters on this forum, no, I didn't wrestle in college.

Of course I'm not saying going to NW is a mistake. What I am saying is that NW doesn't have the depth in the room currently to maximize Micic talent. Hopefully with the #1 recruiting class coming in next year, additional talent will see NW potential and want to be part of that NW wrestling, which will increase depth in the process. Do the research yourself and you'll see that my points are valid. If you don't have a couple of guys in your room to push you every single day, it's hard to reach your full potential. NW is a institution who's admission standards are high so it's not for everyone. NW has a room of about 20 wrestlers compare that to the top wrestling schools who seem to average about 35 wrestlers per team. Look at some of the top 125# or 133# wrestlers teammates. A lot of those wrestlers would start for other teams, NW included. Rather Micic becomes an AA or not, the education that he'll be receiving from NW is big in itself. Everyone who committed to NW has there reason so it can't possibly be a mistake.

Not diminishing any experience whatsoever. You can't have wrestling partners who are sub pare and expect those same wrestlers get you where you need to be in order to beat the Nico Megaludis, Nick Roberts, RyanTaylor, Evan Silver, Cory Clark, Thomas Gilman, Jesse Delgado and etc. Everyone likes to say "Iron sharpens Iron", who in the room right now will push Micic to another level? Now if Northwestern had Brandon Precin in the wrestling room, then Micic would be better trained for the names mentioned above. I mean zero disrespect when commenting on the current light weights but let's face it, they are far from being AAs and AAs or national qualifiers is what all these 2014 recruiting class wrestlers needs to compete against on a daily basis in order to maximize their talent. At least Tsirtis has Matt Storniolo, a multiple AA to work out with on a daily basis. Just my 2 cents.

The current 125# & 133# wrestlers have a combined record of 53-57. The 125# is 2 wins above 500 and the 133# is 6 losses below 500. Their records aren't impressive so I would assume that Micic would have an excellent chance at starting as a true freshman. My question is why would he want to when you consider his competition in the room. No offense to the current 125# & 133# but with records like theirs, seems like Micic isn't going to be ready to compete against current 125# AAs. Micic would benefit from a red-shirt year. In 2015-2016 season, he can be in the lineup with Sebastian, Brill, Tsirtis and whoever else steps up their game.

I'm a Micic fan just like the rest of his fan base but to say that a true freshman will be able to compete not only against 2x NC champ Delgado but against the likes of Garrett & Megaludis, seems far fetched. Tsirtis didn't have the depth at 149# like 125# had imo. Next year Micic will also have to face Gilman & Peters (who owned him at Fila) & Cruz as well if he doesn't redshirt. If Micic doesn't redshirt, I think Micic AAing would be big but I don't see a top 4 finish 1st year in, jmo.

Thanks for helping me locate the video. Nick Lee appears to still only have that one takedown and Micic shut it down. After watching the match, it's no surprise that he lost the match based on his lack of takedown shots and shot defense. Micic has multiple options when it comes to takedowns. I was surprised that he got rode out the way he did.

Is the Micic vs Lee matched posted anywhere online?

If your talking about his win against "some of the best in Missouri", by the name of John Spires, not even close. There is a reason why Spires isn't wrestlng 126# this season. Spires will probably finish 4-6 at state this year. He's a competitive wrestler but not a wrestler I would use as an example to justify Lee current status.

Yes, seriously. Everyone was talking about Davis possibly stepping up to the plate and challenging Micic and Lee but based on the recent results, that's not going to happen. charger.dad, why don't you tell me what other 126# wrestler is going to possibly defeat Micic or Lee? Is the remaining of the wrestlers competitive, yes, amongst themselves. I mean zero disrespect to the rest of the field but come on, keep it real. You have those types of situation where you have the obvious top 2 and then everyone else.