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  1. Wrestling Scholar
    I said both legs are controlled as they are covered by walkers legs. Look at the picture. Molloy is on his back, and Walker is keeping him tight with his arm and his head so he doesn't spin out, thus where his head is at. I've seen 100s of ways to finish a takedown. So I don't have a picture of it and am not going spend anytime on the net looking for it. You might have an argument on timing of control, but the position they ended up in is a takedown.
  2. Wrestling Scholar
    Joe, Come on. There's about 9 pictures of takedowns in your reference and of which most aren't even close to the situation were talking about. The only roughly relevant picture with the double with the head on the side under arm pit. This is useless to our debate. And like you're saying the head has to pop out. Show me that. And on the timing of the camera. You may be right on a time lag with mat clock and tv clock, but keep in mind Walker was moving and didn't have that far to go.
  3. Wrestling Scholar
    I photo shopped a picture from the Flowrestling broadcast of the match where I can see a takedown. 1. Yea, maybe Joe is right on timing of the screen vs the on mat score clock. But this is what I was basing my opinion on Note my picture did not have the mat scoreboard view in it due to angle. Pictures look pretty close to me. 2. See the clock, it has 1 second left. 3. Walker ends up on top of Molloy of firemans with Molloy on his back. Walker has overhook on left arm (control). 4. Walker's left leg has covered Molloy's legs. You can't see Walkers right arm from this angle, but probably between legs controlling hips. Not his legs have covered both of Molloy's legs. 5. In the position he landed, he's directly on top. He's staying tight to Molloy and using his head to keep Molloy's back on the mat and from scrambling. I've never heard it's imperative that the head has to come out. I'm saying both legs are in control, and this has nothing to do with a single leg. Are you saying on a double leg, you have to pull your head out to get out to get a two. 6. This is a close call and timing is suspect, but I could see this going either way. http://i816.photobucket.com/albums/zz89/mathisman/Untitled.jpg[/img]
  4. Wrestling Scholar
    I reffed 8 years, so I'm not a novice on this one. Its a fireman, not a double so you don't need both legs. He stopped his motion and used the one leg to keep him in position thus demonstrating control. His head was buried in chest and was used to control Malloy from moving and putting him on his back, thus demonstrating control. Control of the arm, what more could you ask for. He had this right before the buzzer so the only argument would have been would have Malloy with his reaction maybe would of scrambled/rolled/scooted to a point to not demonstrate control. If he would of framed the postition they ended in for two more seconds, I think most refs would of called that a TD.
  5. Wrestling Scholar
    I just watched replay, and very tough call but I could see control right at the buzzer. I think walker had the takedown.
  6. Wrestling Scholar
    Really great match, and you have to love the effort these guys gave and the risk they took with so much on the line. This match made my night. I'm now fans of these guys. Also so Welch is not win the state champion match, but he still is a champion.
  7. Wrestling Scholar
    Respectfully disagree. I would call Allen's singlet horribly tacky. But his results have been good.
  8. Wrestling Scholar
    The only forfeit you get in a wrestling tournament is when a wrestler can't continue. If A wrestler has no match it called a bye. No advancement points are scored nor are bonus points awarded for pins. I find it hard to believe what you described happened, and if it did they didn't score it according to national federation rules.
  9. Wrestling Scholar
    using right now
  10. Wrestling Scholar
    Why don't we just score it like every other state? You score every match in the state finals.
  11. Wrestling Scholar
    If you make the tournament you deserve to score. It gets complicated if you bring prior tournaments and never seen that done before. But why the kids efforts irrelvant who have come so far to get here.
  12. Wrestling Scholar
    Who would complain about that? A wrestling championship is about overall team scoring . Iowa won the NCAAs a couple of years ago without a champion. No one complained about that. Thats like complaining about a basketball sectional when you had the two highest scorers but you don't win the championship. Its about the whole contribution of the team. Thats so crazy. I've been going to wrestling tournaments for 30 years and I have never heard that complaint. I've heard people say you can win it on the backside. Does the IHSAA have somebody from FILA helping them with rules. Sol let me get this straight. You can complain about something stupid to the IHSAA, and they make changes but bring up something like wrestlebacks and they look at you like you're crazy.
  13. Wrestling Scholar
    Its a huge advantage to the team that doesn't get the rat tail. Their wrestler gets the opportunity to score the whole tournament. It sucks for the team who gets put in the rat tail position, and they work their way out of it they should get their points according to NHSfA guidelines. You're right, but thats totally irrelevant at the state tournament. This is a slight statistical disadavantage to the team that sends the most kids to the state tournament (this year PM). They earned the right to score points in the first round by their semi-state performance. If you start the tournament, after the first round they probably will lose some of it through attrition. This looks like some kind of point rigging to me. Who makes thes rules up, the Vice Presidnent of the Modern Pentathlon sport?
  14. Wrestling Scholar
    I have huge problem with the rat tail not scoring at sectional. Thats just as stupid. It says to some of the more marginal guys on a team that your contribution doesn't mean anything. If you win a match, you deserve the points.
  15. Wrestling Scholar
    After 2016, its not an olympic sport at this point.
  16. Wrestling Scholar
    The other Catholic Dioscese in the state aren't on board. They were talking about the Wichita Diocese, which has some Catholic schools wrestling under its flag in the same state tournament but is not subject to the same rules. I think the Bishop just came up with the rules a few weeks ago, so these kids didn't have any foresight on this. This is something that would be nice to know before you went to the school.
  17. Wrestling Scholar
    I don't know if da region method would work as these IOC guys would consider da approach uncouth. We need the country club approach. We should send Gable but shine him up a little bit. Get him an Armani, give him some yachting and golf lessons, rent him an Audi, send him to a wine tasting class, change his mustard to Grey Poupon and make something up about his royal ancestory. And in just in case, give him a little extra cash for some under the table money. Then we could make some progress.
  18. Wrestling Scholar
    All other rounds are scored based on NFHS- but the first round no points thing is a crazy Indiana tradition. I find it hard to believe it indicates anywhere you don't score any points. The insanity of this is its so hard to score state points with 320+ schools competing in the same tournament, and they want to make it harder to score points. Its weird.
  19. Wrestling Scholar
    Just came upon an interesting article about the Kansas City Arch Dioscese not allowing the boys form local Catholic schools to wrestle a girl. No matter what side of the fence you're on, it's sad to see some kids having to forfeit in the state tournament series just because they're wrestling a girl. I'm pretty sure this is just a local interpretation, but have you heard of this anywhere else. http://www.kctv5.com/story/21192136/catholic-boy-wrestlers-may-have-to-forfeit-matches-against-girls
  20. Wrestling Scholar
    Here's the Iron Sheik's thoughts on the Olympics dropping wrestling. He was an Olympic wrestler back in 1968 for Iran of course. Quote from Iron Shiek: After 1000 years they take away the best sport in the world? This is the first time the dumb motherf**kers have no balls for they make the walking an Olympic sport.” He adds, “If I see anybody on the street that work from the IOC I swear to the Jesus I suplex them put them in camel clutch break their back make them humble.” “The #TEAMSHEIKIE respect the Olympic now they can all go f**k themselves and make the Curling Olympic sport because they all the biggest piece of no good s**t and I never watch the Olympic again. Also buy my t shirt [on my website] or go f**k yourself.” Read more: http://withleather.uproxx.com/2013/02/the-olympics-is-getting-rid-of-wrestling-but-at-least-our-worst-people-are-upset-about-it#ixzz2KtsSHNCT
  21. Wrestling Scholar
    This whole fiasco displays the current selfish special interests of the Olympic movement and current Eurocentric influence. Its obvious how this went down was a railroad job and the lack of transparency along side with the blatant cronyism of the Modern Pentathlon representative (Samaranch). I think the good news is this smells so bad on how it went down, that the IOC is getting such bad publicity on this, it is going to have to be reversed. The US olympic commitee needs to use its muscle and put some pressure on the IOC. I read an article from the head of the Russian wrestling delegation who thinks this is a gay conspiracy against masculinity. Seriously is what it said. I guess Homosexuality is not accepted as much in Russia, but he thinks that the more Europeans who dominate the board are out to get masculine sports and want to replace them with less masculine sports like "roller sports".
  22. Wrestling Scholar
    You're probably right. But this more affects than first place. Don't they give trophies out for 2nd and 3rd, and its going to be very close.
  23. Wrestling Scholar
    An example of the backroom garbage would be the German guy asking the British guy "vote to keep fencing", and I'll vote to keep rowing, or the Spanish guy who is the VP of the Modern Pentathlon saying to the Chinese Taipai guy, vote to keep Modern Pentathlon and vote against wrestling and I'll vote to keep Tae Kwon Do. It's probably like an episode of Survivor.
  24. Wrestling Scholar
    1. Golf - Doesn't give a crap about wrestling. This is a huge opportunity for Tiger Woods to make more money is going to make millions in Olympic advertising. He will win it and says some BS like "winning the Olympics is more important than anything in my career" just like Serena Williams said. 2. The NFL competes against the Olympics and doesn't give a crap about wrestling and probably happy to see the IOC showing its true corrupt colors. The NBA is probably disapointed that wrestling was dropped, only because Golf was added and that will not cut into its Olympic time. 3. NBC didn't even show Jordan Burroughs championship in prime time. They're probably happy now, because they will not get complaints from wrestling fans about their lack of wrestling coverage.
  25. Wrestling Scholar
    I don't think the IOC is out to get American strongholds, I think there are members on the board that have a bias and jealousy against American sports, and their actions are being reflected. It's also reflected in the IOC membership vote, as no Americans have been voted to the board, but there are 10 Europeans. Note the US has the most US Freestyle medals in the history of the Olympics. John Smith made the same accusation with his interview on flowrestling. There is no American representation and their cuttting American sports. Here's what I say about the ratings. Wrestling doesn't draw an audience just like 20 of the 25 olympic sports, but it does a lot better than Modern Pentathlon or Taekwon Do or field hockey. I bet you in the last 25 years, there's probably been less than a 1/2 hour of wrestling on in prime time on the Olympics. So were do they get their ratings, because its not on unless you find it on ESPN7. Do they basing their ratings on ESPN7??? The internet is the only way to watch the Olympics. Its not about ratings, and never has been.
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