maligned Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Wednesday at 1pm they will start releasing each bracket WITH the at large bids included. They do this via social media and on the NCAA wrestling website. Here are the current Indiana natives with spots secured and potential at-large bids 125 Paul Petrov- Bucknell 149 Jason Tsirtsis- Northwestern 149 Branden Nelson- Purdue 157 Doug Welch- Purdue 165 Pat Robinson- Purdue 174 Sean Mappes- Tennessee Chattanooga 174 Chad Welch- Purdue 197 Braden Atwood- Purdue Guys like Brian Harvey, Cody LeCount, and Shabaka Johns could get in via the wildcards coming this week. Brackets released: #16 Petrov vs. Youtsey (Mich); winner potentially vs. #1 Waters (Mizz) #2 Tsirtsis vs. Neff (Lehigh); winner potentially vs. #15 Clagon (Rider) Nelson vs. #16 Racciato (Pitt); winner potentially vs. #1 Houdashelt (Mizz) D. Welch vs. #7 Miller (Kent St.); winner potentially vs. #10 DeAngelis (Okla.) Robinson vs. #13 Moore (N. Iowa); winner potentially vs. #4 Sulzer (Virginia) Mappes vs. #7 Epperly (Va. Tech); winner potentially vs. #10 Martin (Ohio St.) C. Welch vs. #16 Cousins (Wisc.); winner potentially vs. #1 Kokesh (Nebr.) Harvey vs. #6 Storley (Minn.); winner potentially vs. #11 Brunson (Illinois) Atwood vs. #4 Snyder (Ohio St.); winner potentially vs. #13 Woods (Wyoming) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X_R A T E D Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Tsirtsis vs Clagon could be a good match if it follows the previous meetings between them. Tsirtsis won 10-8 early in the season and 2-1 TB a little past the halfway point in his season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingo Brigade Posted March 12, 2015 Author Share Posted March 12, 2015 Not a lucky draw in the bunch, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) Not a lucky draw in the bunch, IMO. The only thing I'll say to that is that getting into the 8/9 or 7/10 quarter will always offer the best shot for an unseeded guy to sneak into the quarters. In that regard, D. Welch and Mappes are not in awful spots. They both would have 2 winnable matches if they meet both seeds in their quarter. D. Welch for example, might think he should be one of the lower seeds and have an easier first round match--but that just guarantees he'd have to wrestle a top dog in the second round. Edited March 12, 2015 by maligned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingo Brigade Posted March 12, 2015 Author Share Posted March 12, 2015 Well if you're looking bigger picture, things could be worse in a couple of cases, but I'm thinking of first 2 matches for our fellas. Don't like nor understand tsirtsis' seed (very much like last year, which worked out ok). Also don't like nor understand Welch not being seeded. Ok, gripes aside, I'm old enough to understand that there are seldom any easy roads to the top 8, so at some point you have to beat some heavy hitters. If we as indiana fans are being realistic, anyone outside of Jason making r12 is a massive success Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) Ok, gripes aside, I'm old enough to understand that there are seldom any easy roads to the top 8, so at some point you have to beat some heavy hitters. If we as indiana fans are being realistic, anyone outside of Jason making r12 is a massive success I was trying to say the same thing...I meant to say that I like the idea of those 2 being in the 1/8th (not quarter...sorry!) of the bracket they're in. The path to being an All-American is far and away easier when you can be in the quarters. Losing first or second round leaves you with 3-5 matches to win in the conso's--with at least one of those against a top 8 guy the majority of the time. However, if you can find a way to win the first 2 and be in the quarterfinals, you're already guaranteed top 12 and you've got two shots at being an All-American--and the majority of the time that second match is against someone BELOW top 8. With that in mind, the 7/10 or 8/9 four-person mini bracket-eighths are the path of least resistance. If Welch is a 15 or 16 seed, he's a slight favorite in the first round and only about a 1 in 10 shot to win second round (about 5% overall odds at reaching the quarters because of the second round hammer). As it is now, knowing who he's beaten in the year, he's about a 40/60 or 45/55 underdog in both of the first two rounds--but his overall odds at reaching the quarters are much better at 15-20%. Edited March 12, 2015 by maligned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maligned Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Don't like nor understand tsirtsis' seed (very much like last year, which worked out ok). It is really strange. It makes no sense that Joe wrestling fan knows he beat Houdashelt last year (they can't use that in seeding), but they have to stick to their rigid system. Even so, I'm not sure how Tsirtsis having one loss against the #4 national seed and Houdashelt having a loss against an unseeded guy doesn't give the #1 nod to Jason. By the way, that unseeded guy is a travesty of a situation too. How can they not make adjustments so that guys like Kindig or Hunter Stieber get at least low seeds despite the uncertainty of their injury situations? Kindig vs. #3 Habat in the first round is an embarrassment to whoever wrote the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingo Brigade Posted March 12, 2015 Author Share Posted March 12, 2015 You always make good, sound points, my friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash513 Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 It is really strange. It makes no sense that Joe wrestling fan knows he beat Houdashelt last year (they can't use that in seeding), but they have to stick to their rigid system. Even so, I'm not sure how Tsirtsis having one loss against the #4 national seed and Houdashelt having a loss against an unseeded guy doesn't give the #1 nod to Jason. By the way, that unseeded guy is a travesty of a situation too. How can they not make adjustments so that guys like Kindig or Hunter Stieber get at least low seeds despite the uncertainty of their injury situations? Kindig vs. #3 Habat in the first round is an embarrassment to whoever wrote the rules. Even if we don't understand the Tsirtsis Seed, I think he has a much easier road to the finals than if he had gotten the 1 seed. His semi finals opponent is likely going to have wrestled at least two top 8ish opponents before even getting to he quarters... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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