SOX FAN Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 I am sure this has been beaten to death,but I would like to be educated on this one. I understand it is more complicated than do it or don't do it. I have always felt that standing pat has a lot more positve outcomes from all stand points and angles versus switching your line-up. Am I wrong?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 If you can shift your lineup to give your team an advantage why not do it? If a football team usually puts nine in the box on defense, but are playing a passing team, wouldn't it be wise to change up the defense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikev Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 I think you're half right and half wrong. From an individual standpoint, I agree. Coaches shouldn't move a kid out just because they know the other kid is a stud and he's probably going to put a whuppin' on your kid. Part of getting better sometimes involves losing - and learning from that loss. But from a team standpoint, it's a crucial part of winning sometimes. Moving 1 or 2 kids can many times make the difference between winning and losing a match, as a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tskin Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Wrestling is a individual and team sport. Having a good Team is what is going to bring fans to the stands. Moving your lineup around to get better match ups for the team win is what the regualr season is all about. Individual success starts tourney time in my opinion. If a kid is in a weight class he is in for the long haul of the tourney so can move kids around just to get sectional win. Now if they go to the true Team series like people have mentioned yes you will see teams still "bumping" kids around to gain the team win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Sobchak Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 I saw a coach once team is down by 4 with 3 weights to go... had won three in a row to get it that close.... other team has ranked kid he has 1st year wrestler... the result is inevitable.... he FF's to the ranked kid, the other team doesn't gain any momentum, they get a pin in the next match as expected and then the final match that could've went either way they keep the momentum and win by fall and win the dual by two... it was a great move.... the first year kid went on to be a sectional champ as a senior!!! I am not sure getting pinned in that heated dual would've done anything to help him or the team!! It was a league game so it was that important.... sorry smokey!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOX FAN Posted January 14, 2011 Author Share Posted January 14, 2011 I understand the idea of trying to gain an advantage,but to me this is a math problem -3 +4 -6 -5 +6. Here is the hypothetical. Your varsity 285 is out due to illness and your back up is a freshman who most likely will get pinned. You have 2 pretty good 103 pounders, so you put the reserve 103 in and start bumping everybody up. This is done even though you know the reserve 103 can't beat the opponents varsity guy who is ranked in the top 16 and the 215 has little chance of beating the opponents 285 because he is ranked in the top 16. Why not stay pat with your best 13 man line up and just FF the 285? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2CJ41 Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Bumping 13 guys up seems a little crazy, but if the coach thought a couple others could have pulled upsets it might look better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busstogate Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 This game can also be useful with guys who can stay off their back or those who are lights out in a given position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOX FAN Posted January 14, 2011 Author Share Posted January 14, 2011 Another question is when do you think this decision should be made, before or after you draw for the starting weight class or does it matter? I have always felt momentum is a major factor and might play a role in the bumping decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Sobchak Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 After the coin flip, team that has choice has to check in first... so it does matter you wouldn't want to put a ringer in for a ringer man.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
when where wrestler Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 It's all about match-ups and not wasting your best on their best if you wanna win the dual. For the guy that you just bumped into the best guy in state, "There's a pawn in every chess match." ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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