Jacob Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 After many years of hearing everyone talk about the fact that there is no seeding at the middle school level. Then everyone talking about how it could not be done. I have been talking to our new middle school coach and we are interested in trying to get a series of middle school elite tournaments for next year. These tournaments would be qualifiers for a final tournament of seeded wrestlers. Yes you would have to participate in the preliminary tournaments for seeding. We are not sure on exactly how everything would work at this point. We are in the planning stages at this point. We would host a tournament at Franklin Central and we would like to see if there would be any interest in schools who host tournaments all ready to have a tournament with in their existing tournaments. This would be the elite middle schoolers. This would consist of 6th, 7th and 8th graders. At the end of the sreies there would be a final that would place out to the top eight. Trophies comparable to the ones given out at some of the national tournaments we all travel acrossed the country to enter. 4th through eighth would receive custom medals. We would like to see at least six other schools that would commit to this. The final could rotate every year to a new school. All schools would help with every tournament. We would like to form a committee that would consist of at least two people from each school to work things out. Like I said this is in the exploratory stage but we would like to have everything finalized in order to get it on the schedule for next year. TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacob Posted February 19, 2010 Author Share Posted February 19, 2010 Is there anyone interested in doing this. This does not have to be just here in the cental region of the state. Actually it would be better to divide the state up into regions and have 2-3 tournaments in each region. If interested Coach Peck could use this seeding for His State tournament. If he is interested in this we would eliminate the series final and just use the seeding aspect. Not calling him old or anything but it would be nice to have some old salts on board with this if we can get it up and running. TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 This is a very interesting concept. I like the idea. If we can work out scheduling issues this could become very big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacob Posted February 26, 2010 Author Share Posted February 26, 2010 I guess that it is safe to assume that everyone who complains about the top kids hitting each other in round one are just chronic complainers and have no desire to make a change. Here is a suggestion. The next time you want to complain. Don`t, unless you want to try and be part of the solution. My only desire in this, is to find out who is the best on the day of the tournament. I have said this before. My kid will be in high school next year. This will not benefit me other than improving the quality of Indiana wrestling. You have to be open to change in order to move forward. [glow=red,2,300]" But this is the way we have always done it"[/glow] Look at the quality of other states and where they place in comparison to the teams we send. Why not be proactive in allowing our best to represent. Don`t get me wrong, the kids we send are great kids and in a lot of instances, they are the correct ones. You have to admit, there are many cases every year that the top kids hit each other and the better kid does not make it. Where are the people who are complaining about this every year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCKAJC Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 I think it's a fantastic idea! I'm sure there are middle schools here in NW IN. that would be intersted in holding a "reigional qualifiyer". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach77 Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 This sounds very interesting, but the questions that I would have is are we talking about working from the middle school season (basically Saturday meets) or ISWA folkstyle season (Sunday meets)? I know that it would be nice to start maybe from the county level and work its way up. Dan Williams Head Coach Noblesville Middle School Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 I am interested in figuring out how to pursue this idea. I like what it encompasses but we need to get a lot of people on board before any planning could even begin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellrs Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 With line bracketing and true second, the best two usually come out on top. What examples at middle school state were there where the top 2 are wrong after the true second match? Placement (or lack of) after that could be affected for sure based on not being seeded but not the top 2. I like your ideas and it would be cool to see it done though. How about wrestle backs for true second at other state tournaments? Anyone seeing that happen anytime soon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacob Posted February 27, 2010 Author Share Posted February 27, 2010 Like I said, this is in the planning stages. I agree, we need a lot of people on board with it before we can go forward. My thoughts were to use the weekend ISWA tournaments as the seeding. Basically the existing tournamenst would have a tournament inside their existing tournaments for 6,7 and 8th graders. Just like they do at middles school state. At the end of the tournament, the results would be sent to one person who would keep track of the results. Prior to any final tournament, whatever it would be. A seeding committee would convene to work out the seeding. We would have established criteria to determine how seeded wrestlers are placed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacob Posted March 3, 2010 Author Share Posted March 3, 2010 Can I get some contacts from interested schools and individuals who are interested in exploring this option. We can start working out some details after the state tournaments are over. We do need to get a tentative date to try and have a meeting. All opinions are encouraged. If we can get this up and running, I would like to see this being the best thing to happen for our sport in a long time. The only way this will happen would be to get everyones input so we know your thoughts on what would be good and what would be bad. I will keep posting here occasionally to keep this at the top of the board. I don`t want it to be an out of sight and out of mind thing. If no action is taken, it will never happen. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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