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New Castle Semi State Rankings updated with results
jchas replied to zachpierson's topic in Past Discussions
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I don't understand the point in these types of arguments. You are going to find good and bad wrestlers at every weight. The farther you go into the tournament the better the wrestlers get. That makes perfect sense to me. If you schedule weaker schools threw out the year. You will have an easier time getting a winning record. All I know is that the kids that get to Simi-State or State deserve to be respected regardless of what weight they are.
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When you wrestle with Tommy every day. You either get better or go home! Hopefully they both will make it to State as Freshman.
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It looks like he is staying at HSE!
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That is what you guys are for!
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I thought I would start a new thread on this subject. It was in the Boston thread but did not develop. How many guys moved up in weight the year after being a State Champion and won the next year?
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Are the returning champs moving up in weight?
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I am just curious. How many guys have repeated as state champ the next year when they move up a class?
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Awesome job Hump!
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Good luck. What weight will you be going?
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Boston deciding to leave the state to wrestle has no real effect on Indiana wrestling. There are plenty of great wrestlers that will compete for the State championship. If his parents think that he needs to go somewhere else to reach his goals that is completely up to them. One thing I have noticed is that you can come from anywhere and be a national champion. People just need to find the path that they believe is correct and don't look back. I wish him all the luck.
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In my opinion the team part of the sport is very important to keeping wrestling strong. Many of the guys know they have no chance of winning a section, regional or State title on there own. But what they may be able to do is win against the cross town rival to clinch the team win. They may also just not get pinned by the State Qualifier and clinch the win. The team aspect just adds so many more layers to the sports. We need to do everything we can to keep it!
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I was there and Perry was awesome. Very intense group! Penn had the best crowd. They had so many wrestlers there. They would surround the mat.
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Hamilton Southeastern finished 10th in Div. 1. Great job done by all of the guys. They were made up of 100% HSE wrestlers.
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Here is another interesting issue with guys who cut large amounts ever week. Let say you have 2 wrestlers on the same team who are very close wrestling off for a spot. Wrestler A is cutting hard to get to weight. Wrestler B is at or under weight most of the time. Should wrestler A have to make weight for the wrestle-off? This would be a way for coaches to try and keep wrestlers at a more reasonable cut.
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I just don't see how a school program can control weight loss other than by enforcing the rules and what the kids can wear to practice in. Diet and other weigh loss methods come back to the parents and the individual wrestlers, unless the kids are moving in with the coach during the season. I have to disagree with this point. Coach do you some responsibility when it comes to extreme weight cutting. There is no way a good coach does not know when a kid is cutting a great deal of weight. It is also part of his responsibility to guide his wrestlers on where a health weight is for each of his wrestlers.
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I don't necessarily agree that it would take a decade to make a change. All it would take is one HS program to implement a good diet and nutrition program and then that program to have success. Nothing created change like success. Here is hoping for the team and coach who takes this on.
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What did you do your senior year and how did it work out?
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Here is a very interesting article on weight cutting. It brings up another question for me. Are the guys able to preform their best In the classroom if they are cutting 2 much? It looks like 4% is the line in the sand. That would be 4.8 lbs on 120 lbs wrestler. http://journals.lww.com/nsca-jscr/Fulltext/2011/04000/Effects_of_Self_Selected_Mass_Loss_on_Performance.18.aspx
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I am not sure that is not the point of this discussion. Are to many kids cutting to much weight. If you are pudgy we all know that you could stand to lose weight. On the other hand how many meals should you be skipping. How many pounds are reasonable to be sweating off the day of or the day before. These are all questions we should be asking. Again I don't want this to be a right or wrong discussion. Just simply performance based answers.
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Anyone got any info on how everyone did this last weekend?
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That is another factor. If you are cutting from a upper or a upper middle weight are you cutting to a tougher weight class. There seems to be a different set of criteria for lower, Middle and upper classes.
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That is a very good example. 18 pounds seems like to much but not cutting at all doesn't seem to work either.
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Lets take out what the rules say about how much a kid should cut and talk about weight cutting from just a strategic point or view. It is my opinion that to many wrestlers end up hurting themselves in the end by cutting to much weight. I personally think there is a big difference in cutting to a lower weight for one or to weeks. As compared to cutting for the entire state tournament. I call the first couple of weeks fools gold. You don't find out how your body reacts until you do it 3-4 weeks in a row. That is when you find out how your body does at that weight and for many wrestlers it is already to late. I am interested in where you guys think that line is? Does anyone have examples for kids who do very well that don't cut much at all and examples of kids who cut very hard that do or don't achieve expectations. If they are current wrestlers. You may want to leave out kids names. I am only interested in the example not the wrestlers.