MattM

By the way you may want to see if this could help build a HS coaches and HS & MS AD e-mail database list for Indiana coaching purposes too. It would be a great to in quickly figuring out who to contact at the high school or middle schools for possible meet information.

My AD today just happened to mention what he had been told about the Team event was two things. It was losing lost of money. They had several examples of teams that were the favorite to win the match instead put in JV to compete because that team didn't care about the event. I explain to him that while this information had a gain of true that he probably was not given the whole story because those informing him about it had a predetermined goal in mind by sharing the information. After a short converstion that followed he seem to see a little clearer picture than the first one that had been painted for him. Which means its safe to say most AD and Principals need to be a little more informed to the whole story about Team State not just a few select point the IHSAA want to focus on.

If we could exend the seaon out another week or so we could fit in more of a true dual championship from round 1, but under the current system we would still need to cram it in the existing time frames. Here was my proposal from a different thread if we wanted to have a class team event but continue on with a none-class individual tournament. It may be appealing to those who do not want to completely overhaul the current system (like some in the IHSAA) by keeping everying relitively the same aside from some slight team sectional re-alignments. 3 Class Division Individual sectionals consists of: 3-5 Teams from large class division 3-5 Team from middle class division 3-5 Team from small class division * the actual team number break down will depend on what area you are in. 2 Class Divsion (But I don't think this may be broke up enough to realistally sustain and grow the sport through the team tournament) 5-7 teams from large class division 5-7 team from small class division * the actual team number break down will depend on what area you are in. Wrestle a regular sectional tournament as we currently do.. Award a sectional title to whatever team has the most sectional tournament point in each class. We can decide in this system if porochrial and private school have some type of student multiplier or are just moved up. Have each team class winner move on their respective team regional matches. Have the top individuals reguarless of class move on to the individual team tournament. In most cases we will still see many of the same teams go to state every year in each of the divisions. But in the middle and smaller division things will change more. Plus in many areas you will see more changes from year to year in who win the sectional and regional titles. That means more coaches, schools schools and communities can use it as publicity for the sport. This will help team state grow the sport at the lower levels more than it does now. All of which while still keeping a individual state tournament as one class.

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In reguards to years past I had helped out some with getting info for this event. But we are no longer attending the event, so I can not be of help. Usually they brackets are decided over the weekend, so someone should have some info.

He has an agenda for what he things is best for the entire IHSAA sports scene in general and its safe to say wrestling super high on the priority list even with it making them some revenue. Obviously, if we made them much more however it would be hard for him to overlook us to much considering he needs to find a way to pay for several other sport that do not make the IHSAA any money at all. For the IHSAA its always going to be about promoting the IHSAA orgnization as a whole and making money. That not necessarily a bad thing, its just what their job is based on. This is different than the wrestling community idea of promoting just wrestling and improving the qualift of it reguardless of the money value that comes along with it. This make it difficult to see eye to eye in order to save somthing when the two groups involved have two different belief systems that have little common ground.

We used to see this a lot in the Mater Dei system. The kid who no one had heard of before who ended up having a great senior season. Then after some research you learn who the kid has been behind in the lineup the last several year. Then is wasn't that suprising why we just now found out about him. Who are some of this years little known Junior and Senior who had been biding their time behind a couple studs and now will have a chance to make it to semi-state/state this year.

Ok we have a plenty of team state topics going on so I figured with the first meets of the season just around the corner this would be a great topic to bring up. Does anyone have any recent studies or new information about what wrestlers should be eating to promote proper weight loss throughout the course of the season? This is asked with the idea that a wrestlers weight is in check with his weight managment plan and want to diet the correct way. What food would allow a wrestlers to continue to eat proper portions, but at the same time give him some nutrition for energy, provide less calorie intake to help with wieght loss, remove unnecessary addatives that hurt the body, and even promote more fat burning during workouts. Also when would a wrestler need to switch off of this to a more energy rich meal prior to competition to have the fuel needed for a weekend competition?

Ok we have a plenty of team state topics going on so Ifigured with the first meets of the season just around the corner this would be a great topic to bring up. Does anyone have any recent studies or new information about what wrestlers should be eating prior to the wrestling meet. This is asked with the idea that a wrestlers weight is in check and he can do the proper thing by eating at least small portions of food thoughout the time leading up to the meet. I also see this as completely different from a proper weight cutting diet (which can be a whole new topic) as it is not trying to find ways to burn excess wieght but rather ways to store up energy for a upcoming competititon. For those weekday duals what is good for the day before, morning of, and throughout the day, and prior to the start of the meet. For the long haul weekend multi-duals is their any adjustments to the morning of and the throughout the day parts since a wrestlers will be using much more energy up during the course of that day compared to a dual. I have some general information I have found through the year about fueling the body but almost all of it is just general to doing any activity. Anything more specific to wrestling since at least the weight managment issues, long weekend meets, and the idea you don't want certain items sitting in your stomach& digesting as you are contorting your body in a match are unique compared to most other sports?

To be correct according to the rules you would expect them to be close to their weight management goal for that week. If they follow that weight plan then it would tell you what weight they can go at the meet and thus approximately what weight they should be close to for wrestle offs as well.

I believe Triple B was planning on working on it when he recovered from injury and had some free time on his hands. I would say we would at least know more about who is doing well and what weight they are going by winter break. Until then its just guess work anyways.

No I was pointing out we should not make the assumption of why certain coaches are in that group other than they are experianced and knowledgeable about the area teams. Because if so we could easily say the reason these certain teams are ranked is specifically because their coaches are on the rankings committee instead of because their teams have a track record of preforming well.

Well 80% of the coaches are also from the teams the regularly are in the rankings to for that matter. I would assume they were picked for being consistant coaches that have a track record of knowing all the school in that area.

First this event sounds like it has a lot of potential to help some of the better teams in the area that do have this travel restritions put on them. I hope it works out. I would love to see the rule adjusted to just say Indiana teams can not travel more than 600 miles (round trip). Thus allowing them to face anyone who is willing to travel to inside that 300 mile distance. If other state are good with open travel rules who are we to worry about them. As long as Indiana teams stay within their 600 mile (round trip) boundary areas I think the purpose of the rule has been accomplished. It would sure open up some of our top teams to invite some great out of state competition or to attend some of the nations top wrestling events. If the worry is we would be facing too much out of state competition then just adjust to rule to says a team must face so many in-state teams in that given year or is only allow so many out of state competitions in a given year. We shouldn't hinder some of the best teams from proving their worth just because one or two teams at the event come from beyond the boundary but the rest are well within it.

Good representation by several deserving Indiana wrestlers.

Y, I know its late and you have reached your class wrestling debate limits but please feel free to stop being devils advocate (negative nancy) and give us some constructive input on how this matter can be helped. If something doesn't sound right feel free to tweek it and improve on it. Not just cut it down and act as if its the stupidest suggestion ever proposed. At least these guys are trying to make something happen to help keep part of the sport alive. For someone who wants to best grow and preserve the sport I would think you would want as many wrestling related events as possible to continue on. Seems like anything that is being taken away from wrestling would be working against that type of goal. I guess if you want to let team state die thats fine. I'm not sure how that helps your agenda's but but just say you want it gone and leave it. But at least let these guy try to do something if they feel they can find enough people of like minds that want to try and preserve it. Or for that matter feel free to adding something useful that will help them get more organization in the coaches association or more pull with the IHSAA. Seems like both of those topics I hear more about how they are broken and not as much about how to fix them.

IHSAA seems to not be a great fan of the individual state Coaches trophy. Which is their issue since I believe its worth rewarding to a coach who best prepared his individuals for that tournament just the same as if a Outstanding Wrestler Award was given. Reguardless, since they seem uneasy about that award I don't see them wanting to use the event to recognize other teams with medals based on end of year team rankings. To me they would feel that would be underminding "their event" which they sponsor and set up the process for. I agree it would be a way to boost support and recognize quality small schools teams but I see no way it would pass their approval. On another note though. I'm all for somehow getting a sincere invitation out to everyone on the IHSAA board so they can see first hand what team state actually is and what it can be. If they don't see what it is for themselves all I'm affraid they will just look at the number (which they can claim was a fluke year based on us going to lose it) and still decide it worth canceling. However, if they can see the event for what it is and even hear from fans the positives about it maybe that will help them understand why its worth keeping.

The point does keep twisting and changing so it is getting hard to follow. If its not a point to be discussed then it should be brought up. What were the main point that are are being discussed and evaluated again? And I could imagine at most schools not named Perry or Mishawaka you would need to go up or down a few weight classes to find a talented enough individual to push a state qualifier to where they need to be. Numbers in the room doesn't always mean you are getting upper level talent around that specific weight class. Sure that a valid point for a quality practice partner but not seeing it a a great point to show class individual is a must. Some of the other point seem to be much better for that argument. And yes we should could have used him in all those sports so the next guy like him you get please send them down here Joe.

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Hinkle on Flo mentioned Cashe was stil working on getting his weight control figured out.

He was a young phenom as evidence by some youtube clips. He has move on to be an effective youth coach and now is working is way to improving the college level ranks, as well.

Correction for 152. Carpenter is attending Columbus East this year and will be in recovery from recent tenden surgery this season.

They have been talking about starting a Club Wrestling program for probably well over 10 years now at at Ball State. But last I heard little university support existed and financially it was a still an issue. I agree Indiana would benifit from another DI program and the MAC conference would be a great one to be in. However, Ball State really doesn't seem to be concerned about adding male sports being that they have dropped several over the last few years to comply with the NCAA schools weak interpretation of satisfying Title IX.

Oh do it now it would be my best chance of making the 103 rankings.