1oldwrestler

Woodside in SW Ft Wayne started 1-11-10.

No seeding meeting. Coaches sent records in and seeds were set up based soley on record. Brackets aren't posted here yet but participating schools coaches have them today.

Huntington North Marion Homestead Muncie South Concordia Snider Carroll Northwood Seeded and bracketed

160-Hankenson ( p. Gulick 4:42 171-L. Baker ( p. Galilei 3:13 189-T. Thatcher ( p. Hope 4:46 215-Bultemeier ( m.d. Mills 13-0 285-Meyer ( p. Alexander 1:56 103-Bowman (H) p. Girod :33 112-George (H) d. Adams 9-3 119-Franklin (H) d. Keuneke 9-2 125-Rushing (H) m.d. Melcher 9-0 130-T. Smith (H) m.d. Hormann 11-2 135-Faurote ( p. Strzelski 1:59 140-Busse ( d. Kryder 4-1 145-B. Baker (H) d. Weaver 6-0 152-Mahlan ( t.f. Norris 21-6

Razo, I completely agree with you. The FW SS rankings are done extremely well (better than the others on this site) and it is just a conversation piece to be sure and Y2 has made his point by putting all the Marion kids 1st. However, you can't blame a group for being passionate (often times stupid) about their team. Look at all the folks that were shooting their mouths off about Perry's chances against Mish. Yikes!!! Just let bygones be bygones is all I'm saying.

I saw Regulator85's post last night before he took it off. He basically said that by ranking all of the Marion kids # 1 in the FW SS, it was making fun of the entire program. I think he was being a little overly sensitive but I kind of think that everyone has now had their opportunity to skewer his posts and it is a little mean spirited to keep all the Marion kids at #1 in the FW SS rankings. Just my opinion.

IMO, unless you're one of about 10/12 superior guys in the state, by this time in the season, you should have at least a loss or two under your belt if you are wrestling a challenging schedule. I see some awesome wrestlers that have an "L" but that doesn't diminish their skill or ability in my eyes. They are going to be better prepared for the post season than a lot (not all) of the wrestlers who are undefeated at this time. Competition during the regular season is a huge key to post season success.

Homestead 230 New Haven 182 103 1) Bowman - Homestead 2) Syndram - New Haven 3) Normand - Woodlan 4) Edwards - Elkhart Cent 5) Rockenbaugh - 6) Yoder - Leo 112 1) Que - Elkhart Central 2) Bryant - Muncie Central 3) Hammon - Woodlan 4) George - Homestead 5) Chambelain - Northfield 6) Sabol - New Haven 119 1) Franklin - Homestead 2) Shaffer - New Haven 3) Parisot - Woodlan 4) Delong - Northfield 5) Gengler -Leo 6) Medlen - Elkhart Cent 125 1) Rushing - Homestead 2) Kohler - Muncie Cent 3) Sieger - New Haven 4) Farber - Leo 5) Edwards - Elkhart Cent 6) Kirtlan - Northfield 130 1) Smith - Homestead 2) Peaks - New Haven 3) Bussen - Leo 4) Echartea - Elkhart Central 5) Crabtree - Muncie Cent 6) Grahovac - Woodlan 135 1) Zink - Woodlan 2) Botts - Leo 3) Barrett - Elkhart Cent 4) Kryder - Homestead 5) Perkins - New Haven 6) Staton - Muncie Cent 140 1) Beck - Leo 2) Wells - Northfield 3) Bloomfield - New Haven 4) Norris - Homestead 5) Cooper - Elkhart Cent 6) Moreno - Muncie Cent 145 1) Heuchen - Muncie Cent 2) Francois - New Haven 3) Meeks - Leo 4) Baker - Homestead 5) Treadway - Elkhart Cent 6) Normand - Woodlan 152 1) Zubrugg - New Haven 2) Kirtlan - Northfield 3) Fritsby - Eastside 4) Copeland - Leo 5) Hatahway - Woodlan 6) Humphry - Elkhart Cent 160 1) Brenneke - Woodlan 2) Osborn - Muncie Cent 3) Weber - Leo 4) Gulick - Homestead 5) Syndram - New Haven 6) Andersen - Northfield 171 1) Galilei - Homestead 2) Cooper - Leo 3) Burnett - New Haven 4) Salmon - Woodlan 5) Kurtz - Elkhart Cent 6) Pointer - Muncie Cent 189 1) Hope - Homestead 2) Shafer - Northfield 3) Jackacki - Leo 4) Johnson - Elkhart Cent 5) Gessner - Woodlan 6) Tuite - Muncie Cent 215 1) Mills - Homestead 2) Hughart - Eastside 3) Ammons - Northfield 4) David - Leo 5) Alber - Elkhart Cent 6) Hischy - Woodlan 285 1) Stauffer - Elkhart Cent 2) Swain - Nortfield 3) Pritchard - New Haven 4) Beard - Eastside 5) Alexander - Homestead 6) White - Leo

Definitely postponed per Homestead's coach

I'm really not that interested to go and view everyone's profile. Just thought it was a funny little stat to look at.

As of right now my time logged in has been 8 days, 5 hours and 46 minutes. That seems like a riduclously long time but I'm curious as to how long other folks have been logged in. Y2 must be months. The numbers can be a little inflated because sometimes at work you bring up the site and leave it on for a couple of hours without looking at it.

Y2, that would be cool but I don't think seeding is even required if wrestlebacks are set up the way IL does them. Not sure what the drawback would be because it's time efficint and it really settles the proper order of placement below 1st & 2nd.

Nah, just wrestlebacks. Don't think we're upsetting the balance of the universe if wrestlebacks were implemented. Wrestlebacks are certainly a smaller issue that we could all agree to as opposed to getting rid of 103 or class wrestling. Oh no. Now the lid is completely blown off this thread!

They do have class wrestling but I don't think that negatively or positively supports wrestlebacks (LOL)! And yes, the way their wrestlebacks work is that once a kid loses, he only advances as far as the kid who beats keeps advancing so it is impossible for those two to ever meet again. I'll give you an example. In 1981 there was a kid working on his 3rd AA (Big School) title. He was a senior (Ed Giese for those familiar with old time IL H.S. wrestling). Back then, AA only placed/medaled the top six, I believe. In the quarter finals Giese was wrestling an inferior kid, killing him, but in the 2nd or 3rd period he got caught and stuck with an inside cradle. The next round (the Semis), the kid that beat Giese lost so the highest Giese could place was 5th (which he did). I think the kid that beat Giese took 3rd. That's how it works. I guess it screws the kid that gets upset but our system also screws kids that get upset.

That's not the way other states do it at all and that is not what I would want at all. Wrestle backs would occur throughout the two day tournamnet, not wait until the championship was decided and it wouldn't be a pool of just the guys that lost to the champ that got into the wrestlebacks. Deciding who the 'True" second place guy is wouldn't be high on my priority list either. Once the championship is over, it's over. Look at how Illinois does it. They have wrestle backs like I'm describing and they get everything done as early as we do on Saturday evening. Wrestlebacks would be great for state for sure.

Tho I don't post on mat.com I have to agree that Howe's championship/semi final matches are about as exciting as watching paint dry. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan and glad to see him represent the state of Indiana with his success. I hope he takes the NCAA title this year but man, I wouldn't mind seeing a shot or two during regulation. I think he has taken to heart the fact that high schoolers struggle the most with their mat wrestling when they transition to college so he seems to have forsaken offensive wrestling from the neutral position to make himself better on the mat. If during his career he's a multiple NCAA champ, who can argue with his strategy and when he does shoot it's a thing of beauty, I just wish he's do it a little more in high pressure matches. One thing's for sure, his wind is beyond ridiculous. He looked like we was hardly breathing going into that 1st OT period of the Midlands Championship.

I've always felt that the best wrestlebacks (at a state tournament) are those that allow the wrestler who loses to continue to wrestle as long as the guy who beat him keeps winning. In other words, in our state tournamnet, the kid who loses Friday nite to either the champ or the runner up would have a shot at placing as high as 3rd. If the guy he lost to on Friday nite lost in the semis, then that kid could place no higer than 5th, etc. This has always seemed the most logical way of running the state tourney but what do I know!

I hope it was the PG version. My wife wasn't happy when I let my 11 year old watch it last fall.

If they concentrate on the wrestling and not the love story no one but the wrestling community will go to see it. As for the wrestling scenes, for an 80's movie, I thought they were pretty good. The biggest complaint I have about the movie is when the coach stopped the match for a bloody nose. That guy should have lost his job for that move! As far as the golf shirt/singlet combo, I agree with Decbell. Best part of the movie!

215 Mills (H) pin Morr 3:16 285 Alexander (H) dec. DeMuyt 4-3 103 Bowman (H) pin Quinley 2:23 112 George (H) win by forfeit 119 Franklin (H) dec. Jackson 10-4 125 Nesbitt (E) dec. Rushing 5-3 130 Riecke (E) dec. Reid 5-1 135 Smith (H) maj. dec. Funk 15-4 140 Lantz-Robbins (E) pin Kryder 3:32 145 Croy (E) dec. Kalakay 5-0 152 LaRowe (E) pin Carter 3:42 160 Hoffar (E) dec. Gulick 8-1 171 Galilei (H) dec. Rodenbeck 5-0 189 Hope (H) dec. Woodward 8-4

Might I go so far as to suggest putting in only team AND individual results together or don't put in anything at all.

Couldn't agree more. My oldest didn't start wrestling until 7th grade even though I asked him if he wanted to wrestle every year for 2 or 3 years before that. I would only ask him once a year and when he said "no" it was end of discussion. He's finishing up a wonderful H.S. career this season but a couple of years ago he asked me why I didn't push him into wrestling sooner (he wished I would have). I explained that had I pushed him, I was afraid he'd run from the sport. His younger brother, however, started much earlier because he had the example of his older brother.

160 Gulick (H) Pin Stantz 1:56 171 Hope (H) Tech Fall Bullock 6:00(16-0) 189 McCurrie (W) Pin Didion 3:51 215 Reyes (W) Pin Burgess 3:29 285 Palmer (W) FFT 103 Gruel (H) FFT 112 Arthur (W) Pin Papadakis 3:42 119 Cudd (H) Tech Fall Lovett 15-0 125 Appel (H) Pin Forshee 5:23 130 Jones (W) Maj Dec McGrew 13-4 135 Strzelecki (H) Dec Cam 2-0 140 Smith (H) Pin Sollberger :50 145 Baker (H) Pin Phillips 1:35 152 Gloy (W) Maj Dec Kalakay 15-4

Definately an upset but that's why they wrestle the matches. Anything is possible.

Round 3 Carroll 54 New Haven 18 140 Perkins (NH) Pin Clark 2:17 145 Lefever © Pin Francois 1:51 152 Timmerman © Dec Zurbrugg 4-3 160 Lefever © Pin Burnett 1:01 171 Raypole © Tech Fall Robinson 3:17 189 Thomas © Pin Robinson 2:29 215 Andis © Pin Lowe 1:56 285 Sutton © Pin Pritchard 1:35 103 Blanchard © Dec Syndram 10-4 112 Ables © Pin Sabel 1:10 119 Shaffer (NH) Pin Garman 2:31 125 Lefever © Dec Sieger 4-2 130 Mitchell (NH) Pin Rhoades 4:54 135 Norton © Maj Dec Bloomfield 10-2 Homestead 45 Columbia City 19 140 Carter (H) Pin Shepherd 145 Bailey (CC) Dec Baker 152 Coyle (CC) Dec Carter 160 Petigrew (CC) Dec Gulick 171 Galilei (H) Dec Harrison 189 Parker (CC) Pin Burgess 215 Mills (H) Pin Strange 103 Bowman (H) Maj Dec Forrester 112 Kissinger (CC) Maj Dec George 119 Franklin (H) Pin Trabert 125 Rushing (H) FFT 130 Reid (H) Tech Fall McCullough 135 Smith (H) Pin Trigg