KarlHungus

Does your logical inconsistency not bother you?

Having better practice partners is an advantage. Small school kids can also have good practice partners. It's not like our good kids are just sitting and wrestling Adam dummies the whole practice. Our better kids often times will comeback in and help coach or we go out and try to find coaches to wrestle with our better kids. The whole better practice partner argument does hold water for sure but it isn't like you can't do anything about it.

Penn has 10 state qualifiers and Busco has one....Penn logically has the better practice partners and therefore by your definition their individuals have an ADVANTAGE.  Your good kids are not as good as Penn's state qualifiers so your point is meaningless because Penn's INDIVIDUALS have an advantage.  Numbers matter for both the team and individuals.  Your last sentence is very telling.....It seems you have finally admitted that numbers matter for the individual but you are resigned to live with it.  At least we are past that fallacy.

Individual wrestlers do not train in a vacuum.  Numbers matter, facilities matter, number of coaches matter.  

No. That's also not what any kid who I have ever coached who made it to state had to deal with either. I would work on your practice schedule I guess.

Thanks for the advice. 

Penn has 4000 people to choose from. Churubusco has 400. 4000 is more than 400. In trying to put together a team of 14 Penn is much more likely to have 14 good wrestlers.

On the individual side let's say that 1 in 400 people have the attributes needed to make it to state, it will make the math easier. If that is the case then Penn should have 10 kids who could go to state, Churubusco would have 1. I am saying that the 1 Churubusco kid is not at a disadvantage.

There is absolutely no logic here.  The Penn kid has another state qualifier and probably two that he trains with.  To not admit this as an advantage is laughable.

And I would argue that less kids in a program does put each individual at a disadvantage. I'm just using Penn because we are close to them and we see them at regional. But them having 75 kids in their roster is an advantage over Rochester with 22 kids. Yes, as a team and an individual. My Hwt who went to state had only the 220 and 195 to practice with. While I'm sure at Penn, their HWT had numerous partners...it makes a difference. You can't use the argument that the team is at a disadvantage and then say it doesn't affect the individual.

 

And their varsity B team would probably win the class A title so my point stands. Why do you deserve it more than they do?

The week of state finals, our state qualifier helps run middle school practice from 3:30-5:30.  Practiced with an assistant coach from 5:30-7:00.  Refereed a middle school meet because we didn't have a ref that night.  Practiced one night from 6:30-8:00 in a private lesson.  

Is this what the Carroll state qualifiers had to deal with?

I honestly don't see why a person from Churubusco who runs 49.5 second 400 deserves more recognition than a kid from Penn who runs a 49.4 second 400. The faster person won, the school size doesn't matter. Now if your referring to the fact that your relay team was at a disadvantage I could completely buy that. Culver is at a disadvantage to Penn when it comes to producing a team of good 400 runners. That is an interesting grey area. If wrestling had a tag team, or summer slam style 5 man teams I think I would agree that portion should be classed.

As far as why we compete in class 1 a for the team state duals, it is because we are at a disadvantage when it comes to producing 14 kids compared to larger school, thus the need for the team portion to be classed.

I was referring to the fact that our relay team is at a disadvantage...that is why I used it as my example.  Numbers are an advantage for both teams and individuals.

The team aspect is completely different than the individual tournament. The team portion needs classed because schools with less kids are at a disadvantage when facing school with more kids, thus we need a team tournament. Individuals on the on other hand are just that, one person. Any one person from any singular school can be good. They are not at a disadvantage based on school size because they are one person. They do not need 14 people to be succesful.

 

as far as the Penn thing goes, we are finding out the best varsity team in the state. We define varsity teams based on schools, so since Penn's JV is not their varsity they do not get the recognition that Varsity trams do.

My example was for a relay team.  

Why can't your 14 work as hard and become as good as Penn's 14?  Numbers are an advantage for the individual as well as the team.

Cause 'Merica

The appeal to patriotism argument never fails.

Why would kids from your school deserve more recognition than kids with similar times that go to big schools? Did they work harder or something? I have no clue why your kids deserve any more recognition than big school kids who also ran very impressive times. How did they achieve anything that the other kids didn't?

You already know the answer....

Why does Busco compete in the 1A team tournament?

Streck wins.  Might break Chico and get the fall.  Otherwise he wins in a close score but never in danger.

I'll add to the whining by telling another story.  Last spring I coached a girls 4x100 meter relay team that finished 19th in the state out of 27.  Our time was the fastest in the history of the state for a school under 500 students from the research that I have done.  I know its crazy to think that those 4 girls deserve a little more recognition than to say they got 19th out of 27.  Track, much like swimming and wrestling is not in a healthy condition at smaller schools.

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3A Wrestler of the Year - Chad Red - New Palestine

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streck 10 times out of 10

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0-0 AFTER 1.  Woods with escape. 1-0.  Woods with blast double and TD.  morrow escapes.  Woods counters morrow shot and scores. 5-1.  Morrow escape.

Woods sprawls and scores again on the counter. 7-2 winner.

Rypel with first TD.  2-0 after 1.  Rypel dominant with the pin.  Very impressive.

osborn with first TD. 2-0. cuts hinkle 2.1.  Hinkle fights off shot.  osborn escape 3-3.

osborn chooses down.  hinkle rides for over a minute and osborn gets escape with 48 seconds.  4-3 osborn.  Hinkle with near TD at end of 3.

hinkle with quick escape osborn wins 8-6.

Ive picked against him the last 2 weeks and he has proved me wrong. Congrats to Osborn.

Harvey gets low single but can't finish at edge.  Tentative 1st period so far.  Harvey with another shot at edge.

Lydy with a shot at the edge.  0-0 at the end of the first.

Harvey draws first blood with escape. 1-0.

Blood time for Harvey. with 10 seconds. 1-1 in 3rd.

Lydy with stall warning.  Harvey with stall warning.

Awesome scramble with 20 seconds.  OT

Lydy pushing pace.  Exciting 1-1 match. Lydy with awesome shot and gets the TD call.  Harvey was still scrambling.

Great match.

Hughes with TD.  Blood time. Hughes up 2-0. Lots o blood.

Hughes hammering away on top but schurg fighting off turn attempts

Hughes with beautiful outside fireman's and schurg goes to his back.  Hughes with the Pin

VanKamp with low single. Forte counters with heavy hips.  

Forte with textbook single and finish. 2-0. Cuts vankamp. 2-1

Van Kamp with single and trip finish but Forte scrambles out of it. and scores takedown. 4-1 after one.

Not much action in 2nd after a minute.  Stalling on Forte.  Forte with single to half and scores 5. 9-1 after 2.

Van Kamp riding tough with boots in.  Stalling on Forte. 9-2.  Stalling Forte 9-3.  Forte wins.

Good action but no score 1 minute into first.  No score in first.

Covaciu with multiple lifts and returns.  Bam with escape 1-0

Covaciu with double unders and foot sweep, close but no cigar.

Covaciu his double leg for TD. 2-1.  Covaciu rides him out.

Bam with TD. 5-4 Bam.  Covaciu with escape 5-5.

Covaciu had deep double undercooks.  nothing

Bam fights off late single.  OT. Covaciu with quick spin behind for win.