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From the IHSAA website... 5. North Montgomery, 6 pm ET Indianapolis Cathedral 49, Hamilton Heights 15. 103 lbs. Brian Harvey Cath. Def. Tyler Elmore HH Fall 4:34 112 lbs. Blake Roytec Cath. Def. Zach Powell HH Maj. Dec. 17-3 119 lbs. Jared Logan HH Def. Charlie McGinley Cath. Dec. 14-7 125 lbs. Brandon Wright Cath. Def. Sam Marshall HH Fall 3:41 130 lbs. Johnny Grey Cath. Def. Colin Bullock HH Dec. 5-3 135 lbs. Dominic Corsaro Cath. Def. Braydin Alley HH Dec. 2-0 140 lbs. Zach Bowers HH Def. Nick Hupp Cath. Injury Default 145 lbs. Gavin McGinley Cath. Def. AJ Miller HH Fall 2:52 152 lbs. Calvin Sullivan Cath. Def. Matt Miller HH Dec. 9-4 160 lbs. Tom Stipp Cath. Def. Waytt Miller HH Tech. Fall 5:47 171 lbs. Vince Hoffmeister Cath. Def. Tyler Shook HH Maj. Dec. 12-2 189 lbs. Andrew Page Cath. Def. Zac Garrity HH Dec. 13-7 215 lbs. Jake Buchanon Cath. Def. Brandon Wilkinson HH Fall 1:56 285 lbs. Jackson Kerfoot HH Def. Weslie Stokes Cath. Fall 5:25 Carmel 45, Fountain Central 9. 103 lbs. Pat Parham Car. Def. Clay Hudson FC Fall 2:33 112 lbs. J.B. Cremer Car. Def. Dillon Scott FC Dec. 2-1 119 lbs. Ben Sommer Car. Def. Joey Engle FC Dec. 7-3 125 lbs. Nick Settineri Car. Def. Eli Moore FC Dec. 5-1 130 lbs. Andrew Mitchell FC Def. Alex Lande Car. Dec. 6-0 135 lbs. Will Mascaro Car. Def. Derek Jackson FC Maj. Dec. 10-0 140 lbs. Grant Scurria Car. Def. Quentin Clough FC Dec. 10-3 145 lbs. Curtis Anderson Car. Def. Dillon Keeling FC Maj. Dec. 8-0 152 lbs. Nathan Ziems Car. Def. Luke Vaughn FC Maj. Dec. 9-1 160 lbs. Sam Shoaf FC Def. Brad Ellis Car. Dec. 3-0 171 lbs. Scott Moore FC Def. Nolan Karwoski Car. Dec. 2-1 3OT 189 lbs. Spencer Morris Car. Def. Chase Minick FC Dec. 3-0 215 lbs. Josh Yoder Car. Def. Taylor Minick FC Fall 5:00 285 lbs. Jesse Hollander Car. Def. Forfeit FC Forfeit Championship: Indianapolis Cathedral 45, Carmel 18. 103 lbs. Brian Harvey Cath. Def. Pat Parham Car. Dec. 11-4 112 lbs. Blake Roytek Cath. Def. J.B. Cremer Car. Dec. 6-0 119 lbs. Brandon Wright Cath. Def. Ben Sommer Car. Tech. Fall 3:04 125 lbs. Charlie McGinley Cath. Def. Nick Settineri Car. Dec. 6-5 130 lbs. John Grey Cath. Def. Alex Lande Car. Fall 1:12 135 lbs. Will Mascaro Car. Def. Dominic Corsaro Cath Fall 3:30 140 lbs. Harrison Coleman Car. Def. Nick Hupp Cath. Injury Default 145 lbs. Gavin McGinley Cath. Def. Curtis Anderson Car. Fall 3:34 152 lbs. Calvin Sullivan Cath. Def. Nathan Ziems Car. Fall 3:40 160 lbs. Tyler Willis Cath. Def. Brad Ellis Car. Maj. Dec. 12-2 171 lbs. Nolan Karwoski Car. Def. Casey Devlin Cath. Dec. 6-3 189 lbs. Spencer Morris Car. Def. Andrew Page Cath. Dec. 2-1 215 lbs. Jake Buchanon Cath. Def. Josh Yoder Car. Fall 0:34 285 lbs. Wesley Stokes Cath. Def. Jesse Hollander Car. Dec. 10-5

The IHSAA Sectional Seeding Criteria makes no distinction between wins by forfeit, decision, or pins. For seeding, a win is a win. Even with common opponent, it doesn't matter if my guy pinned someone that another guy only beat in overtime... both guys won so the seeding criteria with common opponent is not met. Also, when it comes down to winning percentage, forfeits get the same respect as any other wins. For this thread's topic and Kyle Mosier's record, though, I think it isn't appropriate to say that all of his wins but one are by pin if some of them are indeed forfeits. It would have been more truthful to say that only 1 of his matches went the entire match.

This situation happened to Carmel last year. Injury and mis-entered wrestler at sectionals had them forfeiting 145 at sectionals. I don't remember if they had to forfeit the weight at team regionals. I couldn't find the detailed results from North Montgomery Team Regional. Does anyone remember? Or can anyone find those results? That should give an idea of the interpretation that was used.

There are a few reasons this can happen, and it is not necessarity because of an unethical coach... The records posted in conference programs are the records submitted at the seeding meeting, which usually occursf the Monday before the tournament. Any matches between the seeding meeting and the actual tournament aren't reflected in the records that are listed. If a tournament happens to be postponed a week, as some conference tournaments were this year, it is very possible for a school to have 3 matches in those 2 weeks. For a coach to put in a wrestler with a 1-0 record at a conference tournament, he probably wasn't originally expecting to have that wrestler in the tournament. There may have been an injury, illness, or some other factor that made the coach replace the wrestler who has been competing for most of the season. When this happens with short notice, the replacement wrestler's statistics might not be as up-to-date as it should be, resulting in an inaccurate record. Some coaches do the stats themselves; many have a manager, assistant coach, or parent in charge of that time consuming work. For the situation brought up in the first post, it doesn't actually make a difference for sectional seeding because even with the "inflated" record, he still does not have 10 matches. If this particular wrestler beat another wrestler in his sectional, then he would get seeded ahead of that wrestler. If there is not seeding criteria for this particular wrestler, then it comes down to winning percentage, but without 10 matches he does not qualify for a seed. Occassionally there are exceptions to this, but it comes down to a vote by all of the head coaches.

With my school district, the final decision is apparently made by the superintendent, not the AD. In the past, practice was up to the head coach based on safety and the necessity of practice. A couple of months ago we got a new interim superintendent who decided to make a new rule forbidding any activities any time school is cancelled. This was especially bothersome a couple of weeks ago when the school district cancelled school on a Friday because it was "too cold", without any safety issues with driving. This was the Friday before our conference tournament! Our conference ended up getting postponed a week because other schools had similar issues.

travias09, This is exactly why the IHSAA has developed seeding criteria. Too many coaches we arguing over who was better and who could beat whom. Only official varsity matches can be included while seeding, so JV matches and matches during practice mean nothing. Many coaches get a chuckle whenever a coach says "my JV guy beat him". As a side note, it has been many years since there has been an AAU State. You probably mean ISWA Folkstyle State.

It doesn't matter which school's forfeit advances on a double forfeit. Forfeits cannot score points. This may need to be adjusted if the tournament is using a computer program for team points. At our conference tournament, this happened and the results page showed a -4 team points deduction for one school. These weren't penalties; they were an adjustment for the double forfeit.

Travias09, Who did you want VanCamp to be seeded ahead of at 160? The seeding of this weight class went exactly as it was supposed to go by the IHSAA rules. Peter was a state placewinner last year and the sectional champ at this weight last year. When you wrestled Westfield, he was not back yet from an injury. Pinning his replacement means nothing for seeding. Farrell beat VanCamp when they wrestled at that same tournament. Youngs beat a wrestler that VanCamp lost to. I don't remember who. Based on the seeding criteria, your guy got the seed he should have gotten. And being a senior is not one of the criteria. If VanCamp makes it to the semifinals, he'll get that shot at Peter he would have had back in early December.

Zionsville Sectional (12 schools) 103 - 1 112 - 2 119 - 3 125 - 2 130 - 0 135 - 2 140 - 1 145 - 1 152 - 0 160 - 0 171 - 0 189 - 2 215 - 3 285 - 1

# of forfeits per weight class Zionsville Sectional (12 schools) 103 - 1 112 - 2 119 - 3 125 - 2 130 - 0 135 - 2 140 - 1 145 - 1 152 - 0 160 - 0 171 - 0 189 - 2 215 - 3 285 - 1

Any interesting stories or situations from last night?

His weigh-ins in Florida count. That's assuming that his Florida coach sent them to Noblesville.

It should be A C B because A has beaten both and B has lost to both. Also, if you really want to analyze it closely (and get a headache) the 2nd criteria (common opponents) applies with the same result. Of course, this is assuming that no other wrestlers get thrown into the mix, which usually does happen.

Avon 221.5 Westfield 148 Brownsburg 141 Fishers 136.5 Harrison 133 McCutcheon 115.5 Zionsville 110.5 Lafayette Jeff 105 Noblesville 103 Hamilton Southeastern 52 Individual Champs 103 Reise Overby - Harrison 112 Blaine Hall - Avon 119 Justin Fuller - Brownsburg 125 Ezra Penn - Harrison 130 Mike Lovitt - Noblesville 135 Matt Rassbach - Avon 140 Trey Greyson - Lafayette Jeff 145 Drew Brogden - Zionsville 152 Max Youngs - Zionsville 160 Dalton Jones - Avon 171 Cole Brandt - Avon 189 Andrew Leach - Avon 215 Adam Howland - Brownsburg 285 Nate Richey - Brownsburg

The Hoosier Crossroads Conference follows the same seeding and bracket rules as Sectionals, so none of the brackets will be redrawn. A qualified alternate can be inserted as long as he/she has not been seeded or drawn in a different weight class at the seeding meeting. In this situation, he would be replacing an unseeded wrestler, so he would simply take that wrestler's position on the bracket. That means that either 130 or 135, he would wrestle the 1st seed in the quarter finals.

171 F pin 189 F tech 215 W dec 285 W pin 103 F pin 112 F pin 119 F pin 125 W dec 130 F tech 135 W dec 140 F pin 145 W dec 152 F dec 160 F tech Fishers 48 Whiteland 18

0341, You are incorrect. The top 4 do NOT get out. The top 1 from each quarter bracket gets to go to state. There have been times when 2 of the best wrestlers in the state are at the same regional. The runner-up then gets randomly placed with another regional champ who could be another top wrestler in the state (ex. Jimmy Schoettle last year with Eppert and Wright). So, a wrestler who is obviously better than some of the state qualifiers from the same semistate could still be left out simply because of a bad draw.

This has NOT been confirmed yet. Jake Harreld Fishers High School Head Wrestling Coach Now it has been confirmed by my Athletic Director... Hoosier Crossroads Conference is postponed until next Saturday, Jan. 24. Jake Harreld Fishers High School Head Wrestling Coach

This has NOT been confirmed yet. Jake Harreld Fishers High School Head Wrestling Coach

With a new addition to rule 4-5-5, a 1 pound allowance applies only if school policies prevent a team from practicing the day before a meet. In that case, notify the host/other school's AD. The 48 hour notice requirement does not apply in this situation.

I remember distinguishing between these two by calling one the Big MIC (because they're all really big schools) and the Little MIC (because they're all much smaller schools).

MISHCAVEFAN, decbell has been doing a great job of updating the team rankings and even lists key wins and losses for each of them. Here's the link: http://www.geocities.com/decbell1/teamrankings409.html

Fishers 37 HSE 19 285 F dec 103 F tech 112 F dec 119 F dec 125 H dec 130 H maj 135 H dec 140 F fall 145 H fall 152 F maj 160 F fall 171 H dec (OT) 189 F maj 215 F dec

Yorktown and New Castle did not wrestle each other this past weekend. there are 8 teams at the invitational and the teams rotate each with who they compete agaisnt. Yorktown beat Roncalli pretty handily (see above) New Castle beat Roncalli, but I think it was fairly close. I was busy coaching, so I didn't get to see much of their meet.

103 F - fall 112 F - fall 119 F - fall 125 F - fall 130 GC - fall 135 GC - dec 140 F - dec 145 GC - fall 152 F - dec 160 F - dec 171 F - fall 189 F - fall 215 F - dec 285 F - fall