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Everybody understands officials are going to make mistakes. This is beyond that. I would be concerned if a first day official at a kids event missed that call. Go back and watch it. I think the Jackson nearfall was bad, but this is in an entirely different stratosphere. 

Easily the worst call of the tournament and up there for one of the worst I've ever seen at any level. What are we doing here? That's embarrassing and unacceptable on this stage. How does his assistant not overturn it when they discuss? Two officials are that incompetent?

Honest question, how are officials chosen for this event? Is it based on merit or seniority? 

45 minutes ago, Justdo^it135 said:

I was disappointed with Official #11 in the Clark vs Jones Match. 
 

It appeared two extremely clear and obvious takedowns were not awarded to Clark. 
 

I am not suggesting bias or intentional corruption, but the incompetence of the officiating cost the more aggressive wrestler an earned win and spot in the finals. 
 

I have no rooting interest, but it was disturbing to watch. 

First one was bang bang on reaction time. Wouldn't be mad at either call.

The second one was correct, but blown dead late. First, the escape might have been a little quick. Then on Jones lateral drop, Clark goes way out of bounds and Jones has supporting points out too. Action stops right there. The mistake is he let the action continue and Clark jumped back in and then circled behind. Then he blew them out. But ultimately the call was correct. It's not college rules. 

Actually, the worst call was not giving 2 to Jones at the end, not that it mattered.

Tough stalemate call against frazier at the end. I don't think anybody in the arena was thinking stalemate. There's 8 seconds left, he has his foot elevated and is working to cut across. You call that when neither guy can improve. Let the kids wrestle. We're not there to watch you. 

Thrine is a special talent.

40 minutes ago, X_R A T E D said:

He was yelling to count nearfall and then counted to 5 to do it for him. Could hear him very clear from the stands

That should absolutely not result in team points being removed

1 hour ago, Disco said:

And unfortunately ,this is and always will be part of wrestling. You see it every year. Breaks our hearts for it to be this consequential for the wrestlers,in the state tournament, but it will always be part of the sport. 

I disagree. Will there always be mistakes? Absolutely. But this is a different kind of mistake.

For example, the Turner-Day mistake (assuming the clock on screen was right) will always be a part of the sport as long as there isn't replay. Day did not get a reversal until a full second after time runs out. But he did gain control and it's a bang bang call that human beings can miss in the heat of the moment. 

This mistake is different. It's a mistake of ignorance that can be easily rectified if you take a couple hours each week to watch wrestling and learn what is going on out there. The leg pass has been in popular use for 15 years now. It is as basic a technique as a single or double at this point. There is no excuse for not understanding it.

13 hours ago, Ahawkeye said:

I hear you. I hear you from a lot of angles there. But I will say there's one really good way to help out the official shortage.

Already looked up the info for signing up. Will just have to see if I can make it work for my schedule and other responsibilities. Been thinking about it for a while now.

On 2/11/2023 at 10:02 PM, Ahawkeye said:

I can understand the frustration but I think the ref got it right in the first OT. I suppose there was some off camera action at the end?

waiving off the two was the right call. but from a fan perspective, my biggest frustration is a referee that incompetent officiating matches this important in the first place. that whole sequence was a total meltdown. not only did he give two wrongly, but then he continued to let them scramble for 15 seconds afterwards. my man, it's sudden death! if you give two it's over. lewis is actually the guy that got screwed there. he was in position to come out the backdoor and score off his leg pass if the two isn't given.

i know some are going to say "officiating is hard" and we shouldn't criticize the guys who are out there because we have a shortage, but if you're out there you have a responsibility to the kids. watch wrestling. be a student of the sport. these issues occur because we have old guys who have no idea what they're looking at. anybody who stays current with wrestling knows that wasn't close to two.