Slop Drop and Roll

1 hour ago, MatTime said:

Verduzco was my standout. Winning a bracket that has three pound for pound ranked kids in it is incredibly impressive. More so than walking through a bracket of unranked kids. Going through very talented Zuranski, Dowty, Rosenbarger, and Malone...winning that bracket is an accomplishment. Was a fun bracket to watch. Will be fun to watch those athletes at the high school level. 

I agree. I watched 113, 120,126 the most. Noel definitely had a great day. The top 7 or 8 at 113 was really tough. A bunch of great wrestlers. To come out of that group as dominate as he was was very impressive. 

There was definitely a lot of contrast between each of those 3 weights. 113 was a lot of go go on the feet scoring. 120 which I felt was not as top end heavy( after strayer)  was pretty deep with tough kids. A lot more meat grinding mat wrestling. More lower scoring, and a ton of matches within a couple points.

126 had some tough kids as well and lot of big moves and falls. 
My kid was at 120 so I watched it the closest outside of my other coaching duties. 
I thought the pin worked out pretty well. Hockaday was the outlier. I posted about him sitting out a couple years it looked like so it had him like 14 he was runner up. But Strayer was 1 finished 1st, Hockaday was 14 got 2nd, Mason 3rd finished 3rd, Cooper was 11 got 4th, Janes was 4 got 5th, Jones was 6th got 7th, Moore ( my kid) was 7 got 6th, and Nekolite was 13 and got 8th so I would say in this instance it was seeded fairly accurately according to placement. 

I thought Cooper, Mason, Jones, being 7th graders wrestled really well. 
Great sportsmanship at 120. Physical wrestling but nobody took it personally. Good group of kids and coaches. 

I was actually thinking about that myself at Hobart. I was so proud of everyone today knocking 3 hours off last years time.  We had less wrestlers but we also went from 11 mats to 18 this year. I totally feel for the people traveling long distances. Now there is some rumbling. (See if it ever gets traction) of the NFL pushing back the Super Bowl to Presidents Day weekend ( or state weekend) because of the Monday after being a holiday. Or if the NFL gets what they really want an 18th regular season game that would do it as well.

Obviously we are just a host site and don’t run the tournament but I think there are some more tweaks we could do  as a host site to make it even better, and maybe have suggestions for tweaks of the overall format. 

2 hours ago, Hereforthe2s said:

Personally I think this should be called out (not the wrestlers name) but to those in charge. You now have kid that got 5th at 126 that didn’t qualify just to have a kid allowed to move weight classes? It’s absolutely ridiculous that this is allowed. It really shows lack of integrity of the Indiana wrestling governing bodies if allowed. 

I actually had this brought to my attention by someone that wanted to change weights from qualifying weight. I told them I didn’t think so , per the rules that you must wrestle the weight you qualified at. I sent an email asking about it siting the wrestler in questions qualifying weight vs wrestler list. I was told it was a mistake made by the qualifying site so I will assume he will be at 126. Just not sure why they haven’t corrected it yet to end any speculation. I don’t want the kid in question to be looked at like he’s trying to pull a fast when if it was just an error in submitting it correctly. 

I did the 120 class just to see how the PIN would likely seed things out and I’d say it was pretty predictable by names with a couple outliers.  For example little Hockaday (which I suppose I should  give him his own identity as Ryan) is a good wrestler and a qualifier champ, state placer in ISWA looks like he would be the 17th best PIN.  I went through his track history to find out why he would be so low. Looks as though he didn’t compete for a couple years and that hurt his PIN rating. Even though it has nothing to do with the wrestler he is now. Really outside of him you could certainly make the argument it was close. I suppose as mentioned returning placers should be automatic seeds. In the case of 120 Strayer predictably has the best PIN and was a MS champ last year. Xavier Flores while not a qualifying Champ has placed many times between ISWA and MS I believe and has the 2nd best PIN followed by Gavin Mason (iswa champ) Lathan Janes multiple time ISWA placer so there is a reasonable argument it got it pretty close…not withstanding the outlier in Hockaday

( I found the PIN for 23 of the 32 qualifiers)

Aleks Tatum QB at Hobart

Right I mean there are kids that qualified like 5th pl in the qualifier and then placed in the state tournament. Just feel like this year could lead to some good kids not make it in. 

I just wanted to hear peoples feelings on the qualifiers this year.

The idea of having 2 qualifiers may have been the idea to remedy to the Tulsa dilemma.
On the other hand an expanded MS team state will take so many good kids out of the opportunity for that 2nd qualifier. With the qualifier now being top 4 advance to state instead of top 8 like last year. 

I feel like on the first qualifier you’ll have a huge turnout between the kids that are wrestling in the MS state and the handful of redshirt kids that are homeschooled with some local kids mixed in.  
Then the next week while so many good wrestlers are at team state, you’ll see possibly a handful of Tulsa kids then a bunch of local kids from programs that aren’t traditionally strong. Meaning there is a distinct possibility many kids that would have otherwise not made will be there and some pretty solid kids may be left out. Or some kids may opt out of team state even. 
The way it is structured is a max possibility of 32 kids per weight. I just feel like the tournament could handle a max of 64. I mean there used to be brackets into the 80s a couple years ago. 
Im not gonna lie, my kid is an on the cusp/ bloodround type kid.. Beaten a bunch of medalists including champs but he himself has not been a state medalist. I know there are several kids like mine out there. Deserving of the opportunity even if they aren’t a top3 guy perhaps.. good day, right draw though could be on the podium. 
Not to mention kids that may have to choose between team state or a qualifier. Or kids that went to Tulsa but would like to wrestle for their school the week following week but can’t because they must make it to the qualifier.  
I really don’t hate the idea of a qualifier. I guess with everything else that is happening during those weeks I hate the timing of it and the fact that only top 4 qualify. I’m not saying I want it watered down but some 5 seeds from qualifier placed last year. Am I looking at this wrong?it just feel like the timing of it all is off to me, and this year could be more complicated than plugging in Tulsa kids at State. 

Verduszco is at portage now 

51 minutes ago, Hereforthe2s said:

 

 These are the ones I am aware of.

6. Case Bell--8th grade-Avon--95--(106)

8. Matt “MJ” Staples 8th grade—New Prarie--130--(126-138)

10. Ceasar Salas--8th grade--Merrillville--190--(210-220)

26. Patrick Dowty—8^th Grade—Indian Creek—106

 

Other holdbacks with recent success:

Gavyn Kemp

William Grafton-Hodgetts

Javier Salas

 

 

Lincoln Underwood Portage

22 hours ago, Y2CJ41 said:

Streaming will be on TrackWrestling/FloWrestling. No watching here just a list of seeds prior to weigh-ins.

Oh awesome!! Should be a great tournament!

Man… why Rokfin ?? Lol how many subscriptions I need to watch wrestling?

wait for it… I guess 1 more. Oy vey 

Gavin Lewis to Crown Point

Hobart HC is open

-  3A Team state contender

-  Perennial  NCC champion

-  12 State Champions

- 2 returning State Placers

- Outstanding Coaches on staff and on MS Staff. 

- Successful Middle School team with    huge numbers

- ISWA kids club one of the originals since 1978 usually 60+ kids

- Several Youth ISWA place winners

- Elementary Wrestling League

- New school ( 12 year old ) 

- Great facilities

-  Regional Host

- Strong Booster

- Blue Collar Region Kids

- Great  community support

- Large and rabid fan base

Let’s go as soon as it’s posted get your resume in! 
Teacher is more likely to be hired. 

Hobart HC is open

-  3A Team state contender

-  Perennial  NCC champion

-  12 State Champions

- 2 returning State Placers

- Outstanding Coaches on staff and on MS Staff. 

- Successful Middle School team with    huge numbers

- ISWA kids club one of the originals since 1978 usually 60+ kids

- Several Youth ISWA place winners

- Elementary Wrestling League

- New school ( 12 year old ) 

- Great facilities

-  Regional Host

- Strong Booster

- Blue Collar Region Kids

- Great  community support

- Large and rabid fan base

Let’s go as soon as it’s posted get your resume in! 
Teacher is more likely to be hired. 

Sooo unfortunately operating heavy equipment and being ready to buy tix at 9am on the dot cst aren’t a good combo. 
had to settle an hour later for best I could get 4tix together front row 207. 
now the Tix right next to where I usually am at are going for 65 bucks per on stub hub. Great job!!! Ugh.  Go Bricks… Go Region!

I name dropped Kincaide and Verduzco when the list came out… love being proved right haha. 
Rosenbarger looks really good as of course the 95 champ Dowty does. 
like kaide said 100-106 were just loaded. 95 was really deep as well. Outside of the top 2 or 3 in all of those I think you could change up the matchups over and over and get different placement results. 

Plymouth did a good job. 
The only thing I’m curious about is how they will seed Tulsa kids as well. I’m not crazy about the fact they got to see how everything played out before they commit to a weight. 
The seeding part is interesting, for the most part most people around the sport know many of the kids that competed at Tulsa… that said say a 6th or 7th grader competing at Novice division even with some nice criteria shouldn’t be seeded over a good 8th grade kid necessarily that say has lost maybe to some top notch kids. There are some exceptions of course … Hinchman, Flores etc. 

Then the only other thing I’m not sure I agreed with, saw it happen in one division and the question was asked, Why were girls that won’t be wrestling in the boys division for state allowed in the boys bracket? Reason being I guess knocking boys out of a placement or seeding then going into another tournament.  Outside of those things I think it was pretty good… and I was skeptical. 

Noel Verduzco Hobart, Aidan Kincaide Noblesville should be on radar. 

New list for 22-23??

Everyone I’ve talked to liked it better at the fairgrounds as well. With the prices they are charging seems to me they could cover the cost of the fairgrounds. I thought it was great last year. Especially weigh ins. The 2 spectator limit is ridiculous at this point. 

Love ya Coach !