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Competing for the Roy Boy award.
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IHSWCA COTY, Assistant COTY, and Regional COTY Awards
MOWrestler replied to ENoblewrestling's topic in Past Discussions
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Region Rat, where are you? While Da Region might not technically be a "county", what does Da Region v. #TheCounty look like and who wins? This one looks pretty close for #TheCounty. Need the toss-ups or some bonus points... Indeed. Daper Dan style this does not go well for #TheCounty.
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Still curious to see what match-ups you'd see here and how you score each...
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Interesting. How are you defining "Indianapolis area"? I'm surprised we have not heard back about what a #TheCounty 'super-team' would look like (though clearly a lot like a Brownsburg dual team). How would a #TheCounty Team compare to a super-dual team from the rest of the state? And score out the dual...
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This is indeed the rub. I like it when the list is there and I see some good opponents/numbers in my son's weight. But, lots of times people are waiting to sign up until the last minute. If everyone does this nobody knows who's coming even IF the list is visible. We choose our local tournaments based on location (specifically we choose one that we can weigh-in the day of and get to within an hour to hour and a half). Then if we are traveling and getting a hotel we go to big tournaments (ISWA State, Tournament of Champions, Cliff Keen Nationals etc....) where we know there will be good numbers. The other thing I have done is to look back in trackwrestling to previous years and see what the numbers look like. If it seems to be growing over the pasty 2 years I'll take a shot at it.
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Must be a cardio freak. Just hoping to wear down the competition...?
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Great room tonight! Thanks for working out the details to let this run even with the Sectional Basketball Tournament. Really appreciate how Jimtown helps support the whole area in their pursuit of excellence in wrestling. Keep up the good work!
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That's a great line-up of coaches for sure. Would love to get in on that!
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Depending on the day of the week, I believe I'd be able to get some kids from the Culver area up. We'd certainly be interested IF you are able to make progress.
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Negative. I have not hear that far north/west. CMA hosted last night and had a decent room. Hoping to get the numbers up. It is 5:30 on Mondays. Not sure how far this is from you.
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Agreed. I do Agreed. I think a vast majority of the fans would be from the participating schools. I really like the idea of creating some regional sites.
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I thought the depth in each weight class varied significantly. Some Weights had a good number of the SSQ and SQ's who attended. Others did not. Clearly those weights were 6+ SSQ or better were present were much tougher. Anybody looked closely at which weights these were?
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CMA will begin hosting its RTC tonight Monday February 27th starting @ 5:30PM. Tonight's session will be run by Josh Harper! For those of you who do not know Josh, the following article from ESPN's rise magazine highlights Josh from his HS days @ Mishawaka: http://www.espn.com/highschool/rise/news/story?id=3827377 Here is his Bio from Michigan State: http://www.msuspartans.com/sports/m-wrestl/mtt/harper_josh00.html This is a great opportunity to learn from a great Indiana wrestler.
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You might want to contact Coach Matt Behling @ Culver Academies directly with this question.
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I think that wrestlebacks vs class wrestling are looking to fix 2 different issues. Maybe repeating myself, but I see wrestlebacks as a corrective action to ensure more accurate placement. I think the argument for class wrestling is to provide corrective action for school size. I'd be FOR wrestlebacks with or without class wrestling.
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At least this tournament has wrestlebacks
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LOL. Would Hobart be interested in something that weekend or do you already have something else scheduled. We dropped a tournament this year to participate in IHSWCA. Not sure what we will be doing for that weekend if we are not 'voted in'. Also, it is not my intent to worry ab out what class schools are in or if they were on the top of the 'vote-in' list. Just trying to brainstorm and way to get 6 high quality teams together that might have been expecting to make it to Team Sate and just didn't quite make it for whatever reason.
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I think you guys try to create a fair system and be as transparent as possible.No system is perfect, but your effort to do the best possible job at picking the teams seems to be underappreciated. The reality is the top 5 or so teams picked in 3A, 2A and 1A are the top contenders.As you drop much below there you will always have debates.It's like that weird basketball tournament the NCAA holds in March, or the NCAA football playoffs.Wherever you draw a line, there will be teams close to it on either side.On one side they're happy and on the other side they're not. But all of the teams near the line are "deserving", there is no way to tell until they wrestle. And we can't have a huge round-robin.
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During 'March Madness' teams that do not make the NCAA Tournament often go to the NIT. (That's about the extent of my basketball knowledge). At any rate, what do those teams that don't get voted in to the IHSWCA Team State do with that date? I am wondering what this interest would be in the 'first 6 teams out' hold an NIT Super-Dual on the same weekend at one of those schools. Would there be interest in this? I do NOT have any concrete plans in the works, just wondering what people think about this. If possible, let's not turn this into a 'class' discussion .
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Fortunately the Clark v. Samuels match was awesome, because prior to that I just kept waiting for the Fabio v. Bobo match.... Maybe next year???
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Using a crystal ball????
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It's really no fun when you put this sort of qualifier on.... That said, I understand Harrison WL gets some grief on the posts. I think their inflated records and performance @ SS bring that on. HOWEVER, while they are not as competitive in the 3A as some other schools, they ARE A GOOD TEAM still.
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In Colorado we used the venue analogous to Banker's life, had 4 classes and wrestlebacks. We did have more matches on Friday (started earlier- but the 1st round was not an eliminator). It's been over 10 years since I was there, but basically in the preliminary rounds there were separate sessions occupying different times of day. The finals we run all at once. We had 4 classes though, 2 would be more manageable; like watching our 3rd/4th place matches right now. Bottom line is it is quite doable, just take some different logistics.
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I'm honestly ambivalent about the classing. I'm also not saying the win or be done is inherently "unfair", we're all playing by the same set of rules. If we simply said in IN we have one class and one champ and that's it then I think our system "makes sense". The podium @ state would have one spot on it #1. It could also be a one day event because no matter what round you lost in you'd just be done. But we don't do that. My issue is with 'placement accuracy'. We supposedly place kids 1-8 @ the State Level. It would be like having heats in track and not keeping times. Instead you'd just take say the 2 fasted kids from each of 4 heats and then put them in the finals together and say that based on how they finished the last race that placed them 1-8. This would be absurd, unless the heats were so clearly seeded based on times that you never had the 3 fastest kids in one heat (that would be like the proverbial Friday Night Death Draw or @ SS the terrible "Ticket Round" draw that we discuss all the time in these posts). In track the problem is easy, you can use the times. In wrestling, you have wrestlebacks to accomplish this task. Again, it's not a round robbin, so you can always argue about some match-up that did not happen. But wrestle-backs do a reasonable job of placing the kids accurately and they are the common system used in our sport.
