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More on tiers:

Tier 1: This is the highest exposure tier and consists of individuals for whom physical distancing and face coverings are not possible or effective during athletic training or competition. Examples of relevant individuals include student-athletes, coaches, athletic trainers and physical therapists, medical staff, equipment staff and officials.

Tier 2: This is a moderate exposure tier and consists of individuals who come into close contact with Tier 1 individuals but can reasonably maintain physical distance and use face coverings. Examples of relevant individuals include certain team staff (e.g., executives) and certain operational staff (e.g., security, event staff and league staff).

Tier 3: This is the lowest exposure tier and includes individuals who provide event services but do not come into close contact with Tier 1 individuals (and should this occur, would be reclassified into Tier 2). Examples of relevant individuals include certain operational staff (e.g., housekeeping, catering, sanitation and transportation) and media/broadcast.

3 hours ago, Disco said:

Is this the first cancellation of the Big season?

that looks better 

yes

47 minutes ago, Disco said:

Tier one?

Coaches and/or athletes

so far just postponed rather than cancelled

1 hour ago, GG19 said:

Its so satisfying seeing all 3 Lee Brothers on the roster 

For them too, I imagine. I remember hearing a podcast a while back where Nick Lee talked about how much he wanted that to happen because it is, in his opinion, the best room in the country.

6 hours ago, TeamGarcia said:

 

Maybe I can shed some light .... 

First thing is ... “it’s a free year of eligibility” that means EVERYONE on the team is wrestling this year in Duals if your healthy. NCAA is going to take multiple entries per weight from schools to fill the NCAA brackets because some Conferences isn’t wrestling this year . Exhibition matches count this year . “Wrestle offs” really don’t mean anything. Health is going to be key this year because of a shorter season . Stay healthy you wrestle more both in duals and extra matches . It’s going to be a weird short season that we’re all not use to due to the Pandemic. 

I have not seen anything from the NCAA to that effect. Are you sure?

we appear to have our answer:

https://gopsusports.com/sports/wrestling/roster

Nick Lee at 141.

Be prepared to see a lot of strange lineups this season as there will definitely be wrestlers who test positive and others who have to sit for shorter stints due to contact tracing. Of course, we can only guess because it is unlikely we will ever hear about medical info.

On 1/9/2021 at 12:08 AM, MattM said:

Maybe it’s just my selfish opinion, but if you are a national title contender that has not yet won a title entering your final year(s), you get the pick of your lineup spot and the rest of the team will have to work around that.  I’m sure Nicks all for being a “team player” but that is where the coach looks out for what is best for the athlete too.  Nick has already helped Penn State win a team title, so he’s due to earn his own at the weight he believes works best for him.  In the modern era coaches seem to be judged on individual titles as much if not more than team titles, and Sandersons statues is not being hurt any by Penn States 2021 finish.  I’m not sure if that puts Nick at 141 or 149 but hopefully Sanderson gives Nick the best shot possible to accomplish an individual title.

With Rivera bumping up to 141 this year, Eierman back, and Diakomihalis out, you could make a case that 149 is easier than 141. I think most rankings have Sammy Sasso #1 at 149.

And then there is the Willie Saylor view of the world. On his podcast he guessed at Bartlett 141 and Lee at 149. His logic was that maximizes PSU's point potential at NCAA's. He reasoned that Bartlett was a round of 12 guy who scores in the 4-5 point range and Lee is a top 4 guy at 149 or a top 3 guy at 141, so 16-20 point range at either weight. 

Effectively it comes down to whether Bartlett can score more at 141 than Verkleeren can score at 149.

As you say, fluid.

https://news.theopenmat.com/college-rankings/ncaa-di-college-wrestling-individual-rankings-january-5th-2021/79752

The Open Mat has Lee #2 and Red #8 at 141

https://twitter.com/ByCSauertieg/status/1347181518641356802?s=20

I have no idea who Clay Sauertieg is, but lets assume, for the sake of argument, that he has some insight here and knows what he is talking about. If Bartlett is going 149, that would seem to imply that Lee is going 141 rather than redshirting.

For what its worth, Wrestlestat has Lee #2 and Red #4 at 141.

3 hours ago, GG19 said:

So who won the 2nd wrestle-off?

It seems likely that even if Red loses he is still a starter, just at 149 instead of 141 and with Rumors that Lee may go 149 Indiana may still get their dream NCAA final.

On 11/24/2020 at 7:28 PM, SWINfan said:

Joe Lee completely obliterates Zach Hartman in :21. A dominating takedown and a quick, hard bow and arrow produces a turn and fall.  I thought that would be a good, tough match for Joe, but he made Hartman, an NCAA Qualifier from Bucknell, look like he didn't belong on the mat.  

Wow!

It seemed like Joe had some place to be.

Though the field was diluted due to Senior Nationals not being a qualifier for anything this year, Mason Parris goes 10-0, 9-4, 9-6. 7-0, 12-2. He absolutely manhandled Tanner Hall in the final.

Even without the other top guys (Gwiazdowski, Steveson, Nelson, Kerkvliet) it was a very impressive win.

"He looks like a monster. He looks like he just eats weights."

On The Cave Talk podcast. I din't post the link because there is a fair amount of swearing that goes with it.

Think of it as a realization by USA Wrestling that the best coaching available was at the collegiate level. If they wanted to raise USA's standing in international wrestling it had to start with the college campus. By establishing the RTC system and ensuring compliance with NCAA rules they could have the best of both worlds. There is no question it gives a recruiting advantage to the schools that have an RTC, but it also serves the greater goal of raising the international competitiveness of USA Wrestling. on balance, the latter has been more important than the former.

From the NCAA By-Laws

12.8.1.6 Athletics Activity Waiver. The Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement, or a committee designated by it, shall have the authority to waive this provision by a two-thirds majority of its members present and voting to permit student-athletes to participate in: (Revised: 1/10/91, 1/9/96, 1/14/12, 7/31/14)

(a) Official Pan American, World Championships, World Cup, World University Games (Universiade), World University Championships and Olympic training, tryouts and competition;

(b) Officially recognized training and competition directly qualifying participants for final Olympic tryouts; or

(c) Official tryouts and competition involving national teams sponsored by the appropriate national governing bodies of the U.S. Olympic Committee (or, for student-athletes representing another nation, the equivalent organization of that nation, or, for student-athletes competing in a non-Olympic sport, the equivalent organization of that sport).

By "this provision" they mean the 5 year rule. 

So it would seem now that the Division 1 Council has denied an additional year of eligibility to winter sports, it would then be up to the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement, or their designate, to decide on whether to grant an additional stoppage of the 5 year clock.

2 hours ago, Y2CJ41 said:

If your career aligns "perfectly" you can take two Olympic years. See Stevan Micic as an example.

I forgot about him. Good point. 

According to Flo, the NCAA is scheduled to vote on Monday whether to allow another year of eligibility to athletes who had their season canceled due to coronavirus. They quote basketball reporters who believe that spring sports will get an extra year, but winter sports will not. I assume that any decision would extend to Olympic redshirt status as well, meaning you still only get one. If you took it in 2020 there will not be another redshirt year granted. Presumably we will all know in the next 4 days.

Thanks for posting this 

I wonder how much the wrestlers care about the historic titles like 4 time AA. After all its not like any of them failed to AA this year. There is a difference between 3 time AA that wrestled 4 years and got beat one of them and 3 time AA that didn't.

On 3/13/2020 at 11:13 AM, SunDevils said:

 

These are all very good questions. As someone who works (and has worked for a couple) major institutions and has been involved with student-athletes (male and female) in revenue generating (which is deceptive- since the NCAA not the institutions generate most of the revenue) and "non-revenue generating sports" it would be extremely unlikely, unless the NCAA eats the cost - which they won't - that they would grant another year of eligibility. 

 

I can tell you based on the conversations I have had with some people here at ASU that you are on the money in suggesting that it is more likely to hold the NCAA's in May and that is going to be suggested. Also, as far as scholarships are concerned universities package them uniquely due to the fact student-athletes do not have to meet the same standards of non-student athletes for academic merit based scholarships (or admission to the university). Therefore, an above average academic student athlete can get an academic scholarship that has more dollars than a non-student athlete. Additionally, grants can be packaged for any student, athlete and non-athlete, in unique ways. 

 

Also, (I realize Y2 did not bring this up but someone else did) scholarship allotments are seemingly arbitrary but that is far from reality. Title IX has huge implications on scholarship allotments. There must be an equal number of male and female athletes on campus. Additionally, at a micro-level if you breakdown what goes into a scholarship (housing, food, special tutoring services, athletic academic advisers, travel, dietitians, trainers, stipend, and so on) each scholarship granted in the PAC 12 equates to roughly $130,000 per student - I know the SEC equates to roughly $145,000 per scholarship. Therefore, by adding 5 wrestling scholarships to cover the additional year in just wrestling it is over a million dollars of cost incurred by the school and not the NCAA and I can promise you MOST universities cannot afford that additional cost. And per federal regulations you cannot simply borrow from the endowment since athletics is required by law to function as an auxiliary service - meaning they should run off of profit earned - since it is not accessible to all students and does not benefit all students. Sadly, most athletic programs in the USA do not operate in the black at a macro-level it may seem to be true but on a micro-level that is not a reality. For all of these reasons (and more) I would be glad to answer questions from an administrative level, if possible, it is extremely unlikely they grant a 5th year but universities will propose a later tournament date once the hysteria settles. 

Thank you for the information. It is good to have informed content.

I was the one who commented on scholarship limits. Though I called them artificial rather than arbitrary. And what you describe (the impact of Title IX) is certainly artificial. I agree this is a very complex situation combined with a complex rule set. I am saying the rule set can change.

Of course, this is so much more broadly reaching than just wrestling.  All other sports are impacted and would need to be considered in the equation. I assume that the people making these decisions will attempt to be creative in finding a solution. I hope the solution will involve some level of opportunity for the affected athletes, but I acknowledge that may not be possible. 

1 minute ago, Y2CJ41 said:

The transfer portal will go crazy if they allot an extra year.

I don't have much faith in the NCAA making good decisions that affect the kids. They seem to only care about $$$.

I'm not sure where I personally stand on the kids getting an extra year. 

Could not agree more on NCAA cynicism.

The guys who get stuck behind returning wrestlers are in an awkward situation. Think Joe Lee who waited 2 years for Vincenzo Joseph to graduate. And now might need to wait another.