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Boooo! You can say all you want about class wrestling and I'm not going to get into that debate, but the concept of having to watch 3 championships simultaneously and the concept of 2 4x champs in the same weight class, to some reasonable people isn't ideal. Personally, I believe Indiana gets it right in their state championship (minus wrestlebacks).
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Quick answer is no, Track did not show the parade. They had a camera placed at each of the 4 mats. If you had the cameras on you could hear them making the announcements during the parade and see kids as they walked by and eventually stopped in front of said cameras, but it was not intentional coverage. It's my understanding that Track provides an event kit which includes the cameras, etc. but it is not a true broadcast in the sense. Hell, mat 3 only worked about half the time and mat 4 had no sound. I don't know if that is on Track or who is responsible for executing it all. No announcers on 4 irritated me, but not as much as mat 3 freezing repeatedly. The other thing that pissed me off about Track is they no longer allow streaming/casting from multiple devices at the same time. I tried to cast one of the mats to a 2nd tv and couldn't do it. Couldn't do it from a new browser window (tried incognito one as well), and tried from phone/tablet. As soon as I would cast to the 2nd screen, it would be gray and do a :30 countdown. A soon as that cleared and video came up, the other cast/TV would go gray. Couldn't do both simultaneously. In the past, I could watch two mats on two TVs and a 3rd on my laptop. This year, I could get all four mats on separate tabs on the laptop, just had limits on casting to TV's.
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I agree 100%. Didn't want to bring that up initially in this thread because I didn't want it to become all about class wrestling. But it drove me nuts to see two 4x State Champs in the same weight class! Also, hated the split screen with three matches on the same screen. Too distracting for my brain.
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I agree with the OP in that it feels like the end of an era with the loss of Parris, Brayton, Nick & Joe Lee, & Chad Red. Those weren't the only ones, but that is a group of nationally elite wrestlers. But then again, it probably felt like the end of an era when the end of careers of Tisrtsis, Maurer, Escobedo, Hernandez, etc. too. So it feels like it, but as others have argued, it really isn't.
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I have a separate question.... Is it POSSIBLE that Mason could get really cut and make it down to 197, ala J'den Cox? Would it be too difficult a cut or could diet and the right training get him there and would that be advantageous for him. I could see him totally dominating 197 if he could get there. Obviously the questions are, could it happen and would Mason have interest in doing so?
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No disrespect Fabio, but there is no chance the answer is clear if looked at objectively. As Y2 said, it's like splitting hairs. I personally went with Mason and here is why: As has been mentioned football (and maybe other reasons) have limited his off-season tournaments. But is there really any doubt in here that Mason would not have done just as well had he wrestled a full schedule? And secondly, I think it is a different kind of impressive with what Mason was able to do as a freshman. Look at this year's tournament. There were 0 freshman state qualifiers above weight 152. For Mason to go in and compete like he did at a higher weight as a frosh and finish 3rd to me is the tie breaker. If he had :20 more he probably wins it all, but we all know about ifs and buts... To lose 11-10 to an undefeated senior at an upper weight, but dominate everyone else as a frosh, is just something special in my eyes. Again, we're splitting hairs because we just saw two of Indiana's best ever. And how crazy would have been if Joe Lee stuck around and dominated 160? He would have 3 titles, a runner up finish to a 2xer and all of the off season accolades. I am just happy I got to sit back and enjoy watching both of them "work" and will continue doing so in the future.
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On top of that, they have one set of broadcasters calling all three matches at the same time, trying to watch all three and bounce their comments back and forth. Did NOT like it at all!
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My DVR picked up the whole Iowa State Championships so I thought I would take a peek and see what their tournament looked like. The first thing I hated from a TV perspective is they show all three classes finals at the same time in boxes, so you see four boxes on your screen, 3 matches and one with the scores/times/names. Trying to watch that gave me a headache. On to the call... 2A Final in 106. Score tied at 0 and goes to OT. The official resets the wrestlers to the middle of the mat with :08 left. The tie up and are pushing back and forth. One wrestler pushing a little more aggressively, but nowhere near a shot by either. With :01 left the referee calls stalling on on one of them. Apparently he was warned earlier so the 1 point basically ended the match. The wrestlers took their ankle bands off and then were told to put them back on because of the :01. They did, he blew the whistle and they shook hands and walked off, both wrestlers looking dumbfounded. The uploaded image is how they show the matches on TV. I took a short :08 video of the call but can't get it small enough to upload.
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I thought Mendez was slated to wrestle in Illinois. Is that not correct?
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How about Blake Boarman taking 3rd on a leg that will need surgery? He'll have some great wrestlers to get past, but as well as he wrestled on a bum leg today, I could be convinced he might have won it this year if 100% healthy. Key word might.
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So did hearing Maurer on the broadcast tonight haunt you? ha ha
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I'd put Walton right alongside Ty Mills in that category
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You are correct. But in that same light the same could occur if a guy got chewed out by a coach the week before. Who the hell knows what drives the subconscious?
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That's a little different than a guy that graduated from a school half a century ago (approx lol). I get the basic concern though. I just don't think it had anything to do with the call. NONE of us do as no one else in his head. I can say this, and I'm sure I'll get hammered for it, but I'll bet any officials will agree with me. Again, I haven't officiated a game (I did baseball) in 25 years. But I can say that as an official you are working as hard as you can to get each call right and when you are in the middle of a close call your mind isn't thinking about which team is which. It's only after the action stops do you process things.
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Many people felt the same way until Mater Dei won it like a bazillion years in a row
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Easy, according to the IHSAA Cathedral...
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If you are going to do it, it needs to be done from round 1. Not doing so would be akin to saying its okay if officials cheat on the kids that have already lost, but not the winners. Don't see that happening.
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Fair enough. You handle the logistics next year. Get the school every official went to and organize the officials to avoid said team on any mat at any point in the Finals. With that many teams, only 4 mats and not knowing who will win and therefore be on what mat ahead of time. Think it might be a tad harder than you think.
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I'll touch it.... @75 lbs in the Novice division, give me Joe Lee all day!
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If you think I'm emotional or think it's about me, then your brain is just wrong in every way it works, or at least how you see my words on a screen. Maybe you need an interpreter? No go ahead and get in the last word and I'll end my time here. Make yourself feel good by finishing this with a shot. I may read it, I may not. But I won't be emotional nor will I care.
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I'll make the unpopular statement here.... in a tournament where every point counts, is it a good thing when one of the best wrestlers in the country leaves points on the table choosing to run a take down clinic rather than pin a guy? It's not a not on Brayton himself, but on the strategy used. I have no idea how close the final tally will be, but it would be tough to convince me that he couldn't have pinned his 3 opponents. Maybe not, but I think he could do anything he set his mind to today. Listening to Brayton's interview now. Sounds like an incredible kid. So take the "critique" with a grain of salt, but if you need the 1.5 points he left on the table, maybe I have a point.....
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I take it you didn't read all my responses. You took one and decided attack it. You should be imbarassed!
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We all get that. It's easy to see after the fact. But from a logistical standpoint it would be very difficult. And how many Cathedral matches has he refereed in his career where there was no such call? I get how it looks. But I think you have to look at it as was it the right call or not and take where a guy went to school 30-40-50 years ago. JMO
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The secret is out about Asa Garcia. To beat him at State, you have to let him win Sectional, Regional & SS! 2016 Sectional - 2nd Place Regional - 2nd Place Semi-State - 2nd Place (all losses to Mills) State - Champion 2017 Sectional - 1st Place Regional - 1st Place Semi-State - 1st Place State - 3rd Place 2018 Sectional - 2nd Place Regional - 2nd Place Semi-State - 2nd Place State - Champion The pattern has been set!
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Here is the problem with that. Can you imagine the logistics it would take to constantly change officials every time a wrestler from a school stepped on the mat where a referee had some tie? 4 mats, 104 schools, only so many officials. There is no way you could plan ahead and at the least it would cause delays. One might say well just have that ref step back if school X is on his mat, but Cathedral for example had several wrestlers in a row on the same mat today. It would just be a nightmare. If a referee is good enough to call the State Finals, he didn't get there by playing favorites.
