4Dragons Posted February 8, 2010 Author Share Posted February 8, 2010 The high moral and ethical ground is what we should all seek, but it doesn't always happen that way as we all know. One perfect example: If a 152 lb wrestler at the Richmond Regional finishes 2nd, he draws into the bracket with #1 ranked and heavy favorite 34-0 and returning State Runner-Up Sammy Bennett in the ticket round in his path to the Big Show at Conseco. If he finishes 3rd at Richmond he draws into the bracket with a solid but unranked wrestler from Crispus Attacks @ #1, in 33-6 Robert Hawthorne. No offense to Hawthorne, who I've never met, but I believe most wrestlers would like their chances against him rather than Bennett, and because of the advance notice they can manipulate the outcome to their benefit. No other Regional's wrestlers had the advantage of this choice, and neither should the Richmond Regional wrestlers. Period. There should be no opportunity allowed for compromising the integrity of the draw whatsoever. Then we wouldn't have to place blind faith in the honesty, or lack thereof, in any of the coaches or wrestlers. Anything less is a mockery. So that is where the high moral ground really exists, in a draw that can be in no way compromised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkdwn2 Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 Well, again if the IHSAA has any common sense they will redraw the New Castle Semi-state. The example above with Bennett is a great example of why they should do this after the Richmond regional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BingoBangoBongo Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 The high moral and ethical ground is what we should all seek, but it doesn't always happen that way as we all know. One perfect example: If a 152 lb wrestler at the Richmond Regional finishes 2nd, he draws into the bracket with heavy favorite 34-0 and returning State Runner-Up Sammy Bennett, in the ticket round in his path to the Big Show at Conseco. If he finishes 3rd at Richmond he draws into the bracket with a solid wrestler from Crispus Attacks @ #1, in 33-6 Robert Hawthorne. No offense to Hawthorne, who I've never met, but I believe most wrestlers would like their chances against him rather than Bennett, and because of the advance notice they can manipulate the outcome to their benefit. No other Regional wrestlers have the advantage of this choice, and neither should the Richmond Regional wrestlers. Period. There should be no opportunity allowed for compromising the integrity of the draw whatsoever. Then we wouldn't have to place blind faith in the honesty, or lack thereof, in any of the coaches or wrestlers. Anything less is a mockery. So that is where the high moral ground really exists, in a draw that can be in no way compromised. I agree. We aren't just talking about the coaches here. These are kids that have seen these brackets, they aren't stupid. High School kids don't have the same moral fortitude as adults. By releasing these brackets, you have basically given adam the apple of knowledge but told him to not eat it. I think a redraw would be good but really this wouldn't be a problem if there were wrestle-backs to third. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BingoBangoBongo Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 If the IHSAA can add pigtail matches for the no shows at Jay Co. ( a solid idea ), then they also should redraw the NC SS. Joe Mullins Well dad, you got the pigtail matches (which is great). Now lets see what happens to NC SS. Maybe they will redraw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jag Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 Have the IHSAA actually drawn for this or are we just speculating, based on the draws from the other semi states? And if they have drawn who decides if there is going to be a redraw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueBolt Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 WOW! A First Round Match to watch is in teh Evansville SS...160 Pounds...Smith of Princeton versus Kolb of Tri-West. ONE of these kids if going home and it is going to be a shame! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decbell1 Posted February 8, 2010 Share Posted February 8, 2010 Have the IHSAA actually drawn for this or are we just speculating, based on the draws from the other semi states? And if they have drawn who decides if there is going to be a redraw? I see no reason for a redraw. After the beating that the last coach took for throwing a match, it should be pretty evident that it is not right. What about the kid at the other regional that DID win his match and DID get a better draw? Somehow, in your infinite wisdom, you think it is somehow fair to screw him out of the draw that he got? That doesn't make any sense to me at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4Dragons Posted February 9, 2010 Author Share Posted February 9, 2010 Sorry decbell1, on this we must disagree. The integrity of the tournament should not be open to compromise, and that has occurred. The IHSAA needs to take corrective action so that no appearance of impropriety is possible. Like another poster stated earlier, it's not necessarily just the coaches to be concerned with but the wrestlers themselves. For some of those who aren't necessarily considered "shoe ins" to win their weight class, just reaching Conseco is a status symbol that is highly sought after and therefore worthy of a slight stretch of the rules if they feel than can do it "under the radar" so to speak. It's human nature. If not, then explain why they don't post the tournament draw from beginning to end in advance? Why the big statements from the IHSAA that they wouldn't release the draw information until after the Regionals had been completed, and yet they have? Therein lies the crux of the matter, and it has been compromised. And if what has been posted online is in fact unofficial, then there shouldn't be anyone in tears if the right thing is done and the official draw is made & released AFTER the Regional results have been reported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midwest Wrestling Fanpage Posted February 9, 2010 Share Posted February 9, 2010 Sorry decbell1, on this we must disagree. The integrity of the tournament should not be open to compromise, and that has occurred. The IHSAA needs to take corrective action so that no appearance of impropriety is possible. Like another poster stated earlier, it's not necessarily just the coaches to be concerned with but the wrestlers themselves. For some of those who aren't necessarily considered "shoe ins" to win their weight class, just reaching Conseco is a status symbol that is highly sought after and therefore worthy of a slight stretch of the rules if they feel than can do it "under the radar" so to speak. It's human nature. If not, then explain why they don't post the tournament draw from beginning to end in advance? Why the big statements from the IHSAA that they wouldn't release the draw information until after the Regionals had been completed, and yet they have? Therein lies the crux of the matter, and it has been compromised. And if what has been posted online is in fact unofficial, then there shouldn't be anyone in tears if the right thing is done and the official draw is made & released AFTER the Regional results have been reported. No need for a redraw just wrestle!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts