MattM

I guess a obscure variable of this question would be: Does some spring sport coaches allow athletes to participate in spring wrestling in some way when it does not conflict with their sports schedule? A yes answer would slightly skew the data you are looking for.

I guess with a chin like that, we shouldn't expect anything less. Nice. Worthy of a whaoo.

That could be somewhat common unless the system was slightly adjusted in some way. Hopefully the powers that be will recognize the error in this since the qualifications for semi-state have changed.

At least we know he can eat a few punches and not completely be lost in the cage. He does need to find a way to stop some basic punches with something other than his face if he want to keep moving up to better competition. The MMA game is still new to him so hopefully he will continue to work and adapt if he want to keep with it.

Easy solution for an alternate, without having wrestle-backs, would be making it the highest sectional placer eliminated in round one. In the event their are two eliminated that that placed the same in sectional the one that was either eliminated by the highest placer or the one from the winners sectional should be the the first alternate. I don't see as big of an issue with the semi-state alternate but as similar idea could also work at that level. The highest eliminated regional placer would be the state alternate. In the event of a tie (which their would certainly be at semi-state) the one who was eliminated by the higher semi-state placer becomes the first alternate. This would somewhat award a wrestler for placing high in the previous event but having the misfortune of getting a tough draw at that event. Currently we just pick the person eliminated by the champion even though he proabably was not the most deserving wrestler based on his previous results. Obviously alternates have little overall impact on the tournament but its seems a little more fair to try and get the best alternate available (as unbaisly as possible) in the event someone does drop out.

The beauty of the team competition is that is shows the true strenght of the entire school team. Mish having a great group of back-up wrestlers will serve the well not only preparing for the event but give them options for wrestling in the team state competition, as well.

The most obvious prediction is to pick cramped and crowded.

If you have never been to team state it is worth trying. People who have not attended are missing out on something great. It really highlight what wrestling is as a team sport. You got to love the energy of having every single match feel like the spotlight match of the meet. I like it as much as the individual state finals.

The reasoning I have heard for several years is that they want to make sure every head coach can be on the mat with their winners bracket wrestlers. Because of this they do 1 weight class at a time in the first round. Then breakdown to only two mats for the semi-finals.

The Jennings County sectional had a great all around showing in regionals today and will be sending several to semi-state. I hope to this continues next week and we are well represented at the state meet as well.

If you don't make weight in the team part the team would have to forfeit that weight for the meet unless they have a JV that is certified to wrestle at that spot. If you don't make weight in the individual part you are out of the entire tournament. The other qualifiers from that group move up. The 5th place wrestlers takes the last spot if he is on weight and at the weigh-ins. The 6th place wrestler would be the next in line if he is also on weight and at weigh-ins. This doesn't occur very often but has on occasion. It it two seperate events at that point though so not making weight at one does not eliminate you from the other.

Problem is it also adds another good argument for the IHSAA to say team states not worth the hassle of having. But I would hope they don't get that dramatic about it.

No such thing at team semi-state anymore. They finish up both rounds of the team competition to decide to goes to state on the same night. So they can always bump back team regionals to sometime next week (which may be the case now) and finished up individual sectionals before this weekend. That gets everything back on tracks and would just slightly effect those participating in this particular team regional. I guess we will find out later today what will actually occur. At this point they may still try to have the South Dearborn sectional late this evening as scheduled unless we get another round of snow today.

As of right now (and previously mentioned) the SD sectional final rounds will be on Wednesday night and team regionals will be held on Thursday. If the weather becomes a major problem again preventing several teams from attending on Wednesday then they will have to change plans for both individual sectional and team regional again.

Northview Results http://www.ihsaa.org/b-wrestling/2008-09/0809NorthviewSectional.pdf

Columbus North at Jennings County

I think its not so much the state qualifies being the issue as the state champions in the end, Y2. But that obviously for a different discussion.

You think if anything it would bring up the point that their isn't as much to regionals. Two sectionals meet in a regional and all you have to do is win one match to make it to semi-state. Would that mean the people saying semi-state is way to watered down now should really be saying the current regional set up is actually to easy to advance past?

While I don't see many 4th place people haveing an effect in semi-state it would make a wonderful story if a few end up advancing all the way to state. The 4th place guys wins by saying he's a semi-state qualifier and a chance to upset the field there. The 1st place regional person wins out because they get a quality match before stepping up for a tough the ticket round. As with most I'd love to see wrestle backs established, but this at least could help in some aspects of the sport.

I do think the mood of Friday and Saturday of that state finals is unbelieveable if you are looking at the whole wrestling community. However, if you are looking at this by groups of people (individual wrestlers plus coaches, friends, family) the ticket round of semi-state is what many are probably the most anxious for because that one single match ends up decides if you make it to the big show. Yeah the whole crowds not into every match but each persons cheer block is always on the edge of their seats with nerves. Especially if that wrestler has never made it to or past that point before. I just love seeing the cheer block for a kid before, during and after that match its almost as good as the state championship match. Because of that the ticket round of semi-state gets my vote for what I am the most anxious for.

While Mr. Cox probably does incorrectly understand parts of the sport he is still the governing body that makes the rulings for an against any issue in the sport. All I am doing is making sure people are informed correctly so it doesn't happen again. If you believe I am pointing the correct rules interpretation out to hurt other wrestlers I feel sorry for you. Its not about being right or wrong its about getting the rules correct according to what the IHSAA follows so no one is effected by them. I did not bring the topic up, however I did try to correct it once information was presented that was incorrect according to the IHSAA interpretation of the rules. Mr. Cox did not look past it 2 years ago and a decent wrestler almost go ejected from the tournament for that reason. I am trying to make sure that doesn't happen again. If you feel that alot of work needs to be done on the rules as many of us coaches do then this needs to be addressed to the ISWCA, IHSAA, and the national organizations. This discussion is not personal towards you or attacking your interpretation. However, we have to play by the interpretations of the IHSAA, if we like them or not, and that is the interpretation they are currently using. But, hidding the issue or interpreting the rules different than the governing body and spreading that information as correct is not getting the problem fixed.

Littlevito, Bobby Cox through coach Pecks message stated exactly what I had pointed out earlier that you said was wrong. The weight loss done at an average of 1.5% per week does carry on through the tournament series. Thus, this does effect the lightweights who get the extra pound. At least Bobby Cox recognizes this is not the purpose of the rule and is willing to look past it, but that was not the case in the past. Since he is the person incharge of determining wrestling per the IHSAA for the state of Indiana I would say that would mean my interpretation is correct. I agree alot needs to be done to fix the wieght managment issue in the sport and all I am trying to do is ensure no wrestlers get hurt by those rules based on the current iterpretation. Again I still would like to see the actual worded rules that reflect your interpretation of the rules. If they do exist then we need to talk with Bobby Cox and get this corrected so that other are not penalized for it in the future as they were in the past. While it does not say from one weeks official weigh in to the next weeks official weigh in I would believe that is the best appoach to go off and the one that someone would site when making a case against a kid. That is the only official documentation anyone has on a wrestlers weigh from week to week, so that would have to be how someone would measure it. The point I am making is to ensure a kid isn't unfairly punished by the rules because a coach or parent was misinformed. This has already happened in the passed and I just don't want to see it occur again. I hope you can see it that way.

Thanks Coach Peck for clearning this up per Mr. Cox's interpretation of the rules. I thought my understanding of the rule was correct, but am also glad to see Mr. Cox is able to see pass the rules wording to the actual purpose it was created for. I believe their is still much more that needs to be done to inform the coaches of the proper execution of weigh management so that everyone is on the same page. And seriously if someone is going to "boo" me doing it for something I at least got wrong or offended someone by. It pathetic when someone boos another poster for correctly point out the actual meaning of a rule which had been incorrectly interpreted by others. We do this to help everyone ensure the rules are correctly followed in order to prevent a wrestler from gett hurt by them because the coach or parent was not properly infromed. If that is worth getting booed for over two different corrected rules issues in two days then several people on here are not in this sport or on this website for the right reason.

By the word average of 1.5% per week that would make me think from one weeks official weigh in to offical weigh in you can not drop more than an average of 1.5% per week. Since the only think measured are official weigh ins then as long as you didn't drop more than 1.5% from that documented weigh in to the next it would tell me thats OK. I am not saying alter the weight management plan form week to week form each official weight in. That weight managment plan tell you the minimum you can possibly weight per week based on the 1.5% per week. However, no everyone makes that minimum weight. In fact several are way above that weight, so by your definition they could infact lose a ton of weight from one official weigh in to the next without issue because they are OK with their weight management plan. In other words wrestler A weight management plan says for week 8 he can weigh 140.0 minimum however he have been weighting at 160 as of the last official weight in. By your definition he can drop to 140 for week 9 without issue because he is still following his weight managment plan which puts him at 140 or that week. I contest while 140 may be his lowest weight he can make for week 8 or 9 that doesn't mean he should be allowed to drop 20 pounds in a weeks time to get there just because the weight management plan said he could that week. From my understanding he would have to go from week to week dropping 1.5% until he actually makes 140 that way. Yes this is much more work and worry for wrestlers and coaches but I belive that is what the rule intended to occur. If it actually does occur correctly in that way I doubt. As I mentioned all I can find on this says you can't drop more than 1.5% any week. And that is what I am trying to clarify using that actual rules wording. Two seperate issue seem to be at play by the wording of what I have read. One is the minimum weight you can be at each week according to your weight management plan. Which goes on until you have made your lowest minimum possible. The other issue is the weight loss per week you are allowed to have based on the 1.5% per from official weigh in to official weigh in. Again I'm not trying to call anyone out, but would actually like the documented rule to be presented and for everyone to interpret it the same way. As I've said all I have found so far is the statement listed above, and nobody has presented anther one that says all you have to follow in the weight management plan 1.5% and from their you can drop as much as you need from weigh in to weigh in as long as your weight management weekly minimum is fine. I believe it would be stupid to call a lightweight out on such a rule because it obviously isn't a dramatic cut, but do want to get it clarified so that it doesn't happen to a wrestler during this time.

It doesn't play in effect at all. The wrestlers weight loss plan does not change meet to meet. You get the weight loss plan at the beginning of the season and follow it, end of story. Nothing changes or recalculates. Littlevito, Could you provide me with rule that refers to you only having to follow the wieght managment plan as it refers to 1.5%. All I've found is documentation saying that "a wrestlers is not allowed to loss more than 1.5% any given week." The way that is worded it make it sound like reguardless of the minimum weight you could be per the weight management plan you can only lose 1.5%. Basically saying from official weight in to official weigh in you are only allowed a 1.5% drop. So by that definition if a really lightweight wrestlers officially weighed in 2 pounds heavy one week he would not be able to drop more than the 1.5% correctly by the next weeks weigh in. That would prevent a wrestler during the state tournament from going form 105 officially one week to 107 the next then dropping back down to 105 the next meet after just because the weight management plan told him he could make that weight by that match. He would infact have to be slightly under 107 to to make it work. From what I've heard someone during the state tournament two years ago even got called out on it last year and the IHSAA addressed the school and coach over it. While I think that is a cheap thing to do since obviously that was not a major weight cutting issue I do want to get the rule correctly addressed by everyone so a similar issue does not occur. I'm not trying to get any team in individual in trouble over this one just wanting to clarify using the actual rules so noone is called out on it. I personally think most of this weight management stuff , while helpful in stopping major weight cutting issues, ends up being a lot of extra work that not everyone understands or even follows in teh exact same way.