MattM

It really is even simpler for the IHSAA than some live reveal show and the bracket population after. With there being 12 formula's it shouldn't be an issue if in fact they were all being used, it was done randomly, and then releases as the semi-state brackets a few days later rather than giving the formula out early (as use to occur). The problems seems to be the IHSAA is only using some of the 12 possible formulas and the have started to follow a pretty noticeable pattern with the formulas used each year. Not sure if its due to their laziness or whatever, but it is clearly starting to cause some concern. I don't blame some coaches for wanting to figure out the draw if the pattern has become that predictable. The issue here though is since Regionals finish at different times there is a window available for some to "game the system" of what final round placement would work best for them if they want to end up in one of the best semi-state pod to possibly advance. While a risky strategy without knowing full Regional results, it is still one I have heard some coaches suggest when faced with the alternative of an almost certain "death draw" to make it to state. No one wants to see the same pattern of "good" or "bad" semi-state draws every year due to certain very strong regionals always feeding in the same weight classes the same way. And no one wants to even consider the idea of someone "gaming the system" to gain a semi-state bracket advantage. Both of these are easily solved by the IHSAA take the time to truly randomize all 12 formulas to create the brackets. I haven't done any research, but is this same exact pattern starting to show itself at the state level too? Or has the IHSAA shown a little more attention to the state brackets with a truly randomized formula?

Still wondering if that bunches him up with Bouzakis in the next couple years. With that kids muscle build I'm not sure he's going to maintain 133 forever, at least not without sucking down a ton which may negatively impact his performance. Hate that one of these guys may be the odd one out and have to bump another spot higher or suck to much down, neither being optimal for their or the teams performance.

There are no seeds to factor in any type of respect. Semi-state (and state) are based on the previous rounds placement with a random formula to match up the regionals. It’s always going to be a crap shoot due to that and no wrestle backs to help balance the draw out.

What is this concept you speak of? Never heard of it before.

Most locations do not have the equipment and/or tech organization to stream sectionals and regionals on trackwrestling. We should have the streaming option for Semi-state and State. If I recall Semi-state streaming at all 4 locations just became available not that long ago.

Been waiting for this one to be made public for about a week now. Hard work paying off, great job kid.

Was hoping the weight cut down this year was in part due to a better diet and cardio routine. But, not quite seeing the cardio part as much. Not much time left to get the cardio in place now but, hopefully the right game plan is in place to last through several deep matches in Conference and the grind of a NCAA tournament.

He's pretty much settled into a Greco routine, which has been his international strong style. But yes he will be around for awhile if anyone wants to test him in upper body positioning.

I can see him and Feldman of Ohio State have a series of battle for the top spot as the current crop of talented heavies graduate. And hopefully sneak our own Christian Carroll in there too.

Davison definitely could ruin one of their quarter or semi-final hopes if he has the right plan and can stay healthy through that grind of a tournament.

None of these compare to the greatest rivalry of all though. Grandma's home cooked Thanksgiving feast vs. the weigh-in scale at the tournament that Saturday.

Ah the White Book, the only none in-person scout you could manage to do before the internet truly evolved.

Imagine if all the coaches honestly tried this approach which is a long standing directive in the Winter Bulletin before all the other criteria. 5. Coaches should strive to keep open minds when seeding assignments are being decided. The main objective of seeding is to have outstanding wrestlers separated in the brackets so that they will not meet each other until the finals. Seeding shall be based upon the wrestler's proven ability and not upon the desire for unwarranted advantage. If they did it would solve several debates about seeding before any of those other interpretations were necessary. Fighting for your wrestlers is one things but trying to get an unwarranted advantage which hurts others is what causes someone to ask for clarification and then we get left with a poor interpretations from someone who does not understand seeding. That what the issue was even 5 or so years ago when someone at the IHSAA decided to hand down this weird interpretation and and why it is still floating around today.

It’s seems strange the IHSAA wants to keep wrestling brackets so secretive and wait until as close to the event to create them Wed. and release them Fri. Yet are also putting our the basketball sectional pairing (same with football and volleyball) almost two weeks before the first games start. Seems like our brackets could be done by Tuesday just to make sure coaches had a couple days to input everything and the IHSAA if they really want to look over any weight data. Then release them to the public by Wednesday. If any mistakes are noticed after that then adjust them then or at the Saturday coaches meeting as has always been they case. The IHSAA acts like they are going through everything with a fine tooth comb but it never seems like they catch anything and it’s usually the coaches who would first.

I would assume most meetings weren’t scheduled to start until around 6 or 7 tonight. Hopefully a quick turn around once they wrap things up after a few hours of “debating.”

Or at least gain enough trust with your tournament director (usually an AD) to ensure they ask you or the sectional coaches for clarification before getting some outside sources involved who is not fully aware of the best way to handle the situation. Even if a coach would have called it may have turned out to be a better interpretation based on how things were asked and talked through than an unknowing tournaments director with little concept of a seeding meeting process.

I would love to know how they determine the second part of the head to head criteria in their version of head to total sectional interpretation. "If they have beaten each other an equal number of times, then the winner of the last match gets the seed." This wording clearly indicates an individual vs. individual not a group head to head determination.

That was updated very recently. Likely due to the questioning of the change. If you internet search and find a previous version of the 22-23 Bulletin posted via the IHSAA website the meeting date show Monday. 10/26 Edition Pairings and Seeding A. Sectional pairings and seeding will be made at 7:00 p.m. at the center school on the Monday preceding the sectional tournament. Point being that Wednesday was not the originally posted plan by the IHSAA, and it was not the norm from past year. Thus why some people were unclear/uncertain. I’m sure the IHSAA sent something with the Sectional information to ADs and coaches. As usually, with any notable change in the process, it is always best to communicate as early as possible and make sure the change is noticeable.

The decision was either made after the Winter Bulletin was released or someone forgot to update it from last year because it still indicates Monday.

Not sure where all your going with this data, but it maybe worth distinguishing between teacher in the HS building and a teacher that is just within the corporation. It's much easier to find possible new wrestlers and keep tabs on the current ones if you are in their building rather than just part of the same corporation.

Then added a couple more after that.

Close but that’s a no. Market Square 4-Life