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Same with girls state. We will not, and should not halt efforts to sanction girls wrestling, even though IHSWCA puts on a girls state wrestling tournament.
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They are not going to do wrestle-backs, either. We have folkstyle state, freestyle state, greco state, all with wrestle-backs. Wrestle-backs are still desired, and still hotly discussed on this board.
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You hit my thoughts on the head 98%. The part about growing the sport was the only hitch. That used to be my stance, but I do not believe classing our tournament will do anything to grow the sport. Certainly no more than wrestle-backs at advanced levels of the tournament. My desire for class wrestling is rooted in the same place as others' (and mine, just mine is stronger for class) desire for wrestle-backs: fairness. If big schools and small schools are "playing the game" under different circumstances, then they should be competing in different state tournaments.
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Why so many from big schools, then?
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What happens to them in college? The scenes from this weekend are, fortunately, fairly common in the meets that we attend. However, when I watch D1 (mostly Big Ten for me), I see a lot of half-hearted hand shakes and wrestlers barely looking each other in the eye after a close, exciting, hard-fought match.
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It doesn’t seem like the top of the card is the issue in Indiana. It’s the mid-card on down. Would anyone be willing to compromise? Obviously all of this is just fantasy… Cancel the 300 mile rule IF we agree to a classed individual tournament? Or would you rather keep the one class and the 300 mile rule?
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Don’t try to downplay the significance of our relationship. That’s just mean spirited.
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Both sides appreciate each other more than they ever have, that’s for sure. That’s why @UncleJimmy invites me to the thread every time.
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Everyone knows reading threads is not mandatory, right? You can even click the “mark as read” button and not have to see that there are new posts.
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@UncleJimmy, I am truly honored to be so consistently trolled. However, even galagore understands this is NOT the weekend to go dispensing logic in search of allies.
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It's pretty confusing why they're delaying ticket sales at all. We love our state tournament, and it is well attended, but it is always far from a sell-out. What does anyone (IHSAA included) gain from postponing ticket sales? So, yeah, they "hate wrestling"...Then why are they inviting this headache? Wouldn't it have been much easier to put all tickets on sale Sunday afternoon for family, Monday morning for general public and be done? Even in a world in which "they" don't care, this doesn't make much sense.
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Yes, track does have a standard. It is pretty tough to get, but it is something like the rolling average of the past three year's 9th place marks. You aren't going to qualify if you aren't really really good, but you also aren't going to get boxed out just because you have 4 D-1 prospects in your sectional or regional.
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Penn Regional starting 30 minutes earlier due to disruptions to the girls basketball sectional
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No feuds to add, I just really enjoy the Dave Meltzer star system of matches that opened up this thread. The PWI-type title was enough to make me smile, but the star rating was a solid bonus.
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$10 per spectator is pretty salty, js. Unless they are trying to control attendance without making an actual attendance cap...if that's the case, it's kinda genius.
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I don't care what meeting you're going to...seeding or otherwise. That is exactly what you should wear.
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How do my suggestions tank the road for any wrestlers? If anything I suggested would take away from our top wrestlers, please inform so my perspective can be reviewed and potentially updated.
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Also, we all get it that clubs, camps, and regional tournaments are the way to become a great wrestler. We are not lacking great wrestlers in Indiana. We are lacking average wrestlers. Average wrestlers don’t wrestle in college. They don’t participate in IHPO. They don’t rank nationally. What they do is fuel the machine that keeps our sport relevant. There is plenty for the most dedicated. That should absolutely be maintained or expanded. Now it is time to shift focus to the seasonal wrestlers. How to we hook them? How do we keep them? They are the ones that keep the sport from becoming some niche club thing.
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The answer is a grass roots movement starting at the youth level. If you love the sport, try to find a nearby town that needs you. Fill out the background check and go try to start a youth program. Or go try to help a youth program that is understaffed. Our best programs are hotter than ever. It probably wouldn’t hurt them if an adult or two per program peeled off and tried getting something going in a community lacking wrestling tradition. In our conference, I can tell you that Caston, Culver, North Judson, and Pioneer all need your help. Triton, Laville, Winamac, and Knox probably wouldn’t turn away the help, either. If someone from the HNAC wants to correct me, please feel free.
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Skeiky baby also says hello
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If we're adding "holy cow" factors into the mix... Jeremiah Harvey placed third out of sectional... Won Regional and Semi-state... Last six matches of the season SS semifinals - avenged his only 4 losses of the season (all losses were to Abe hall - dual, super dual, conference title, sectional semifinals) SS finals - won in OT Friday night - first period pin Saturday morning - won in OT Saturday afternoon - won in UTB Under the lights - won in OT It was as thrilling as you'll get and is a prime example of catching "lightning in a bottle"
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The fact is, this problem does not get fixed in a season, or even five seasons. We need non-parent people who want to help grow the sport in our state. People need to help start or maintain youth programs in disinterested communities. If you are a person who cares about Indiana wrestling and you live in a strong wrestling community, consider looking at the next community over. Maybe they need some help. The major problem is, not enough people identify as wrestlers. We lost four of our five best wrestlers this season. All four just up and quit after putting 4-5 years in the program. Arguably our best wrestler, definitely one of our two best, was actually driven by me with my own son to ISWA folkstyle state last year. He quit. Why? There are a lot of reasons. When people ask, I always say, "Because wrestling is hard." In reality, while that is certainly true, it's because they don't identify as wrestlers in their core. That starts at a young age. And it grows gradually over time. And it requires more than one or two people in a community who are fully invested. This problems gets fixed via grass-roots effort. So again, if you want Indiana wrestling to halt the backslide, reach out to a school that needs you, and see if they are interested in your help.
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@base We definitely have an issue with practice partners, but that is primarily at our HS level. There are a couple at the youth level every year on one end of the scale or the other. My son, for example, is a 50 pound third grader and had to wrestle at least 10 pounds up every match during intramural season. We have started a youth wrestling league with Triton to hopefully help alleviate that at least for live wrestling purposes. However, at the varsity level...practice partners are a huge issue. We have a larger issue, but I will address that in a different post. The idea of getting our MS together with another school would be interesting...if we had a better wrestling culture. Right now, we need to focus on our own house and making sure that we have kids that will come to our school for practice. In our youth program, we moved our intramural out of the wrestling room and into the Elementary gym. This allowed us to pull out bleachers and let parents be much more a part of the youth experience. That was a huge benefit for us, though it did take a lot more man power to move the mats before and after every practice. It would be fantastic to have more of a community in our youth program, but right now I am heading up every level but MS, and there just aren't enough hours in the day to organize things like that. However, you are 100% correct. Even simply having the bleachers out where people could sit (sometimes together) and enjoy the action together made a huge difference in parent and athlete experience.
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No doubt and no disrespect, coach. It's just that in our community, people new to the sport need to be reached directly by their home town people. I assume that is the case in most small/isolated towns. We in Culver are pretty excited to see what results from your program in the coming years.
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Despite my history and the language of my first post in this thread, my intent was not to turn this into a class wrestling discussion. My intent was to make a point that class wrestling and wrestlebacks both have an equally likely chance of changing our current course. If some of you want to know what you can do, then here is something...it is not an easy thing, but this is something that would help if anyone were willing and able to do it... Go into a community without a wrestling foundation and jump in to help a youth program. Here at Culver, our administration was gracious enough to buy us TWO new competition wrestling mats, agree to TWO events to be hosted by our school and granted us TWO new paid youth coaching positions. That last part is the key. Without help, all the equipment and events in the world cannot be used properly. Get with a small program (not necessarily from a small school) and see if they need help with youth wrestling. The Fort is fantastic, and definitely will help grow our sport amongst people who are already involved. We also need to grow the sport amongst those who are not yet involved. Again, our top talent is really coming along nicely. What we need from here are more people who do wrestle just during wrestling season. Those students don't get us national recognition, but they keep our sport viable. They fill lineups. They bring parents, grandparents, etc. to the meets to watch them wrestle. They have little brothers and sisters who look up to them who might just decide they want to wrestle because big brother or big sister wrestled.
