I am not telling you to sell the idea about winning team state. I'm saying we all need to sell the idea of team success. Success means different things to different people and it may vary from year to year. What you want your kids to think team success is, is up to you and the school's coaching staff. As far as your Team Regional opponents situation goes, I'd say that we are in a similar situation. This past year we lost to Crown Point twice before team regionals and Merrillville kicked our butts. We also knew that if we did win we would've had to face Mishawaka 1st round of Team State. Mishawaka beat us by 20 or so earlier in the season. Yet another reason for our guys to potentially give up at Team regional. We could have easily let the wrestlers concentrate on their individual success and say let's pack it in and forget about the team regional. But we didn't allow it. We tried our best to plant the seed of "what-if". What if we pull off the upset? What if this guy wouldn't have got pinned, what if we bumped and put in Johnny who fights like hell, but isn't very good? Maybe he can pull something off! What if they're having an off day? What if someone misses weight, or is sick? You never know with high school kids. Stuff happens that could make up some pts. But, did all our selling work? In the W-L column it didn't work, but what we saw out of our kids that night shows us it infact did work. We lost to Crown Point by 7pts (our closest margin of defeat in our 3 duals). Also, just to clarify.......I don't have the answers that are specific to your situation, I'm just a person who likes a challenge and likes to find the positive in things instead of the negative and that comment about kids not having fight bugged me.