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Huh?

Round 2 Carroll 34 Homestead 33 135 Norton © Maj Dec Smith 15-3 140 Carter (H) Dec Clark 15-8 145 Lefever © Tech Fall Baker 4:26 152 Timmerman © Maj Dec Carter 15-5 (Homestead loses team point for unsportsmanlike conduct) 160 Lefever © Pin Gulick :33 171 Raypole © Pin Hughes 2:11 189 Galilei (H) Pin McClure 1:37 215 Mills (H) Dec Andis 8-3 285 Sutton © Pin Alexander 2:20 103 Bowman (H) Pin Blanchard 1:21 112 Ables © Dec George 12-7 119 Franklin (H) Pin Garman 1:34 125 Rushing (H) Maj Dec Lefever 14-5 130 Reid (H) Pin Rhoades 1:51 New Haven 36 Columbia City 31 135 Bloomfield (NH) Pin Trigg 1:59 140 Perkins (NH) Pin Shepherd 3:40 145 Bailey (CC) Dec Saalfrank 9-3 152 Zurbrugg (NH) Dec Coykle 6-0 160 Pettigrew (CC) Dec Burnett 6-3 171 Harrison (CC) Dec Robinson 8-3 189 Parker (CC) Maj Dec Robinson 12-3 215 Strange (CC) Pin Lowe 5:18 285 Pritchard (NH) Pin Myers 3:19 103 Forrester (CC) Pin Syndram 1:35 112 Kissinger (CC) Pin Sabel :23 119 Shaffer (NH) Pin Frabert :28 125 Sieger (NH) FFT 130 Peaks (NH) Dec McCullough 5-0

Round 1 Carroll 60 Columbia City 12 130 McCullough (CC) Pin Rhoades 5:19 135 Norton © Pin Trigg 1:27 140 Clark © Pin Shepherd 1:23 145 Lefever © Pin Bailey 4:44 152 Timmerman © Pin Coyle 4:57 160 Lefever © Maj Dec Pettigrew 11-0 171 Raypole © Maj Dec Harrison 12-0 189 McClure © Pin Parker 1:58 215 Andis © Maj Dec Strange 12-0 285 Sutton © Pin Myers 1:06 103 Forrester (CC) Dec Blanchard 6-1 112 Kissinger (CC) Dec Ables 5-2 119 Garman © Pin Trabert 1:40 125 Lefever © FFT Homestead 42 New Haven 18 130 Reid (H) Dec Peaks 10-6 135 Bloomfield (NH) Dec Smith 12-8 140 Carter (H) Pin Harshman :38 145 Francois (NH) Dec Baker 7-6 152 Zurbrugg (NH) Pin Carter 5:10 160 Burnett (NH) Dec Gulick 11-8 171 Gailiei (H) Pin Robinson 1:35 189 Burgess (H) Dec Robinson 5-2 215 Mills (H) Pin Lowe 1:12 285 Pritchard (NH) Dec Alexander 7-0 103 Bowman (H) Maj Dec Syndram 14-0 112 George (H) Pin Sabel 4:28 119 Franklin (H) Maj Dec Shaffer 10-0 125 Rushing (H) Maj Dec Sieger 9-0

HOMESTEAD 58, NORWELL 15 103-Mitchell Wilson (Nor) pin Andrew Boman (Hom) 2:20; 112-Kody George (Hom) won by forfeit; 119- Morgan Cudd (Hom) won by forfeit; 125-Andy Franklin (Hom) pin Gram Smith (Nor) 3:58; 130-Keelan Rushing (Hom) pin Jordan Dillman 1:47; 135-Dane Reid (Hom) dec Brandon Smith (Nor) 12-1; 140-Matt Carter (Hom) pin Andrew Smith (Nor) 1:05; 145-Brandon Baker (Hom) dec Daniel Baker 9-1; 152-Grayson Smith (Nor) pin Nick Carter :49; 160-Mike Gulic (Hom) maj. dec. Beau Burk (Nor) 19-3; 171-Frank Galilei (Hom) pin Zach Herper:39; 189-Greg Hope (Hom) dec. Nor 5-1; 215-Brad Mills (Hom) pin Dan Wood :53; 275-Nor. dec. Jake Alexander.

So Gilbert was ahead 8 - 5 when the headlock occurred? I'm guessing that it was a 4 pt move from the neutral position if there were only 3 secs left.

285 - Shomaker (D) Pin Alexander 103 - Bowman (H) Dec Frane 112 - Mix (D) Pin George 119 - Franklin (H) Pin J. Poynter 125 - Rushing (H) Pin Sexton 130 - Smith (H) Pin Miller 135 - Reid (H) Pin Adame 140 - Gaff (D) Pin Stryzlecki 145 - Boman (D) Pin Baker 152 Mason (D) Pin Carter 160 Hammel (D) Pin Gulick 171 Snyder (D) Pin Hope 189 Galilei (H) Pin Coleman 215 Mills (H) Pin Lepley

I'm pretty intrigued by the dual meet match ups this year between the top 3 decbell just listed. When the tourney comes along I think it will be Bellmont on top again.

What teams will finish 1-2-3?

Did the punishment fit the infraction? Sounds to me like it did. Was the incident funny? Probably. How many parents have punished a kid but had to hold back laughter? I know I'm guilty but the message was sent none the less that the action was wrong. Bagging on a kids grades on this forum? Absolutely inexcusable. Inthe cave, you shouldn't even respond because there is no defense for what you did and everyone knows about the "incident" that happened to your team last year. If memory serves me correctly I don't think anyone got on here and brought up crap about your kids grades. In fact, I think people were pretty respectable of the situation regarding their comments. Very classless on your part.

I'll believe that when I see it

My dad came up with the "hold my headgear while I kiss your girlfriend" quote. Just kidding.

unless you can put actual individual results in, it's a real let down to see "Team So and So vs Team So and So" as the header, open it and only find the team scores. Team scores are nice but, to me, they are secondary to the individual results. I sound like a real whiner, I know, so boo away.

I'm just curious, but what is considered an insane amount of weight to cut these days? For the purposes of this discussion, lets throw out the fact that there is a weight management program in place. It's very easy for guys to get around this so the coaches can't really comment here because they have to "tow the party line" or risk getting their butt in a sling. Also, don't say that it depends on body type. I know that's a factor but there has to be an average that guys cut. IMO it seems like 10 to 12 pounds is about the most a guy should cut. Thoughts?

Bitter, no. Nauseated, maybe.

I'm not blind. I realize Merrillville's SS is the overall toughest based on its production at state. My point is why do we have to hash it over and over again? My other point is that it's usually Merrillville supporters looking for validation. Just pipe down and let the results speak for themselves.

Guys (or Gals), I'm not bitter at all. Just gets old hearing about how great Merrillville SS is. Unquestionably they've got the toughest (overall) SS but some SS's are better at individual wts. Whatever, waste space all you want "asking" what the toughest SS is. It gives you great joy to see in print how many more state placers come out of Merrillville. And since you liked it so much, I'll state it again, nope, not bitter at all.

Nope. Wrestled in IL so I have an unbiased view. Not bitter either, but the truth hurts apparently.

These threads get really old. The guys who start these are usually from Merrillville because they are looking for validation that their Semi State is the most ruggged. I guess it's good disussion fodder but in the end means nothing. Yeah! You're buddy, son or the guys at your old high school wrestle in the Merrillville Semi State. Whhoopppeee! Should we all bow down and just hand the state 1st, 2nd 3rd and 4th place medals to all the guys coming out of the Merrillville Semi State? Get over yourselves.

I have never seen this kid wrestle so i cant say too much but 215 is a vert tough weight class to enter as a freshman and expect to go far in the state tournament.. most 215 are former 171 and 189 with yrs of experience, this kid might be a great wrestler but hard to expect a lot at this weight class as a freshman Homestead has a 215, big Brad Mills who will be a junior this year, and wrestled 215 as a Freshman and Sophomore. He won sectional titles as a Freshman and a Sophomore, took 4th in Regionals as a Frosh (so would've advanced to semi-state with the rule change as a freshman) and went to semi-state ticket round as a soph.

What do you mean, cutting weight? Didn't he weigh 93 pounds last year? Losing 5 pounds is not cutting weight. With the 2 pound allowance he'll practically be at his natural weight. He'll still be at a weight disadvantage compared to the kids that are actually "cutting." This is absolutely no knock on Brooks at all. He's definitely got the skill to pull off a state title this year for sure. 103, the weight class that ruins the sport of wrestling in Indiana, will be extremely competitive this year as it always is. I'm being facetious when I say that 103 is ruining wrestling. Unfortunately 103 will be gone forever after this season.

I'm not as versed in Indiana HS wrestling as many are on this website. The Atwood family seems to be very involved and beloved by the Indiana wrestling community. Could someone fill me in as to their history? The one thing I noticed from posts last year was that many people were almost mad that Duckworth beat Atwood at state and now I see that people, by a wide margin, are picking 189 to be the toughest weight class. I suppose that has a lot to do with Atwood and Duckworth apparently being in that weight class again. I mean absolutely no direspect by my question, just would like some info.

To each their own but I think a parent would be better off putting 1/2 that much energy into making sure their kid was a stand out student. It would be a heck of a lot cheaper and the scholarship $ thrown around by Purdue and IU is crazy.

Very bitter. I never said my cross sectional study supports raising 103 a few pounds. Others have stated that the reason 103 is not a viable weight class is b/c it's too easy for an underclassmen to get a varsity letter and I, apparently, wrongly lumper you in that category. 103 is the least competitive why? I would guess you would say it's b/c it's dominated by freshmen. So underlassmen aren't competitive? That makes makes sense on some level, I'm just trying to figure out what level. Stats support this? The only thing studies show is that 103 is dominated by Freshmen. How does that support lack of competitiveness? Can only upperclassmen be competitive? I'm sure you were a successful wrestler in your time. I may misquote but leave the name calling to others. I don't know if you hate children or not but you sure don't approve of underclassmen wrestling varsity. BTW, your little survey hasn't been the landslide you expected for changing 103. Pretty even I'd say.

OK Mr Persecution. The passion to get rid of the lowest weight class because it's so easy to get a varsity letter based only on size is somewhat misguided. The folks that support it believe that if we do get rid of a weight class dominated by underclassmen it will improve the sport dramiatically because then all the big boys will feel better and they'll stay out for all 4 years rather than quit. Stats support arguments. The only way this argument can be supported is if there are exit interviews done with every freshman or sophomore upper weight kid that asks him why he's quitting the sport. I feel pretty confident numbers like this haven't been compiled nor these interviews done. Again, I can't disagree with getting rid of forfeits and if raising 103 to 106/107 will do that, bravo. Just leave the discussion about fairness or unfairness of little guys getting a varsity letter out of the equation. It's your opinion or feeling, not fact.

Jason Tsirtsis has better technique than most wrestlers in the state. He is the exception though, not the norm. Its really a sad state of affairs when people state that freshmen are better technically than seniors. Every program I have been a part of the freshmen have the worst technique. It sounds like we have some great middle school coaches that should be promoted to the high school if they can teach a kid everything he needs to know technically. Joe - I don't disagree that freshmen, comapared with seniors and juniors, have worse techinque, in general. However, as I've said before, the passion to get rid of the lowest weight class because it's so easy to get a varsity letter based only on size is somewhat misguided. The folks that support it (you, hungus, wildcat, etc) believe that if we do get rid of a weight class dominated by underclassmen it will improve the sport dramiatically because then all the big boys will feel better and they'll stay out for all 4 years rather than quit. You like to promote stats to support your arguments. The only way this argument can be supported is if there are exit interviews done with every freshman or sophomore upper weight kid that asks him why he's quitting the sport. I feel pretty confident numbers like this haven't been compiled nor these interviews done. Therefore, you guys are guilty of what you accuse all others of doing and that's relying on your feelings or opinions to make an argumet. Again, I can't disagree with getting rid of forfeits and if raising 103 to 106/107 will do that, bravo. Just leave the discussion about fairness or unfairness of little guys getting a varsity letter out of the equation. It's your opinion or feeling just like the guys on here who believe that there is a higher % of little guys that come in as freshmen that are better technique wise than the upperclassmen in a room.