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I would say, yes, he is a better athlete than both Gable and Sanderson. I love wrestling and I was a pretty decent wrestler but not the greatest "athlete" by any stretch. That's the beauty of wrestling, IMO.
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I think texas is a bad state to use in this example as they have only had a state association sanctioned high school state individual wrestling tourney for, I believe, less than 10 years. If recent progress is any indicator, texas will blow by indiana and into top tier state status within 5 to 10.years. I agree that indiana h.s. Wrestling is getting better for all the reasons you state, however.
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This is very true. It would be very difficult to create a set of rules that would open up scoring once the best of the best square off against each other. The only thing I can think of is doing something akin to what soccer did when they created the indoor league and we know how successful that was in making soccer America's sport.
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For the most part, I believe that folkstyle wrestling is a more entertaining style when compared to freestyle. I read an interesting post on themat.com in which someone stated that folkstyle wrestling is about who can "control" their opponent , while freestyle is more focused on who can "direct movement." I thought that this was an accurate comparison of the essential differences between the two styles. To me, control throughout a match is a much better indicator of a superior wrestler than directing movement. As far as entertainment value, I believe that the way backpoints are awarded in folkstyle is more clear-cut and easier to understand for spectators unfamiliar with the sport (and even for those who are), as only the wrestler who is in control can score them. Additionally, I believe that the "best of three periods" scoring format in freestyle can often encourage stalling. For example, during Burroughs' gold medal match, it was painfully obvious that he was biding his time during the first 1:40 of each period and did not look to score until the very end of each period, when he knew the Iranian had no shot at mounting a comeback. While this was an excellent strategy and obviously worked out for him (2 beautiful takedowns to win each period), had it been a folkstyle match, I believe he would've been looking to score from the outset in order to build his lead.
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Good post but the talking heads are just doing their jobs explaining the action on the mat. Heck, I don't want to tangle with my 20 year old anymore let alone someone who's involved with collegiate or international wrestling no matter what level they are. However, I agree with you that I find it humerous when when a guy posts on here about one of these elite guys as having "lazy takedown defense."
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Not trying to be an a$$ but you really can't use that argument. He DID have the performance he had, so we ultimately were way better than 2008 because of it. Some guys rise to the occasion on the world's biggest stage and, thankfully, it was a guy from the good ol' U.S. of A. I understand what you are saying but when you consider only 29 countries nabbed olympic medals in wrestling ( top 10 were Russia, Japan, Azerbaijan, U.S., Cuba, Uzbekistan, South Korea, Georgia and Armenia) and we were in the top 5, I'd say that's pretty impressive. Look at the list of all the countries that won medals and it's pretty obvious we're swimming with some pretty bizarre company (only 3 western european countries won anything Sweden 2 medals, France 1 and Spain 1). Just more proof that wrestling isn't what you'd call "mainstream." Frankly, I love following a sport that isn't adored by the masses. BTW, why no team from Afghanistan? I noticed they only sent 6 athletes to these games. They typically perform well in Olympic wrestling.
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Think I read somewhere where U.S. had the most medals in this olympics in wrestling since '96. I'd say we did more than save face, frankly. Not sure what the U.S. wrestling community expects each year's international team to do. Got news for you, wrestling is really hard and not glamorous enough to where kids are beating a path to do it. Look at the countries that are good (old easten block countries), those folks live a hard existence so any outlet to better themselves they'll take it (also, in some of those countries, wrestling is more like a national sport). Too many glamour sports in the U.S. that takes away from the sport of wrestling. It's same reason we really aren't that good internationally in soccer. Our best athletes play other sports, plain and simple.
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Maligned - you always give cogent and thoughtful analysis and this post is no exception but im not sure about what I've quoted above. When I watch burroughs it looks like he hits takedowns whenever her wants to. I didn't see the iranian in the olympic gold m..edal match (in the last 20 secs of either period) get out of position or offer to burroughs any better of an opportunity for a takedown than he had in the first 1:40 of the periods. I wouldnt say he got lazy against the russian in the second period, that dude is just good but burroughs is just better.
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Unbelievable beast. My sons and I laughed about how he wrestled for about a total of 40 seconds during his 4 minutes on the mat! Can he repeat in Rio? That would really put him in select company if he does that.
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Not sure what this means. +1?
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Agreed. My sons and I were just going over how she might be able to do it last night. She's got 5 medals in her first where Phelps got zero. She'll be 29 in her fourth games (Phelps was 27) which means she'll need to average almost 6 medals in ea of the next 3 olympics. It will come down to how many she can rack up in these next two games that will determine if she can do it or not. I think she can and will.
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Guw Guess I was referring to freestyle. More impressive to do it in fs, imo.
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I was referring to gable. Im wrong that he never got scored on, or im wrong hes the only one to not get scored on?
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Hes also the only wrestler to not get scored upon during his march to Olympic gold.
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Phelps is the greatest, end of discussion. Any of the arguments (swimming is too exclusive so only rich white kids do it, swimming has too many opportunities for medals) just don't hold water (pardon the pun). His dominance is unparalleled at the olympics in any sport. Keep in mind that I can't swim worth a lick so I have no personal appreciation for his feats. I have just totally enjoyed watching him mow down the competition especially during his previous two olympics. This olympics is just a coronation of his achievemnets. Wildcat, you and Skip Bayless and Michael Wilbon can remain in the tiny minority that believe Phelps not to be the greatest olympian to date.
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Agreed. A list that doesn't include Gable can't be taken seriously. He may not get the most votes but to be totally excluded? Though Kemp didn't wrestle because of the boycotted olympics, he was the clear favorite for gold that year so I have no problem with him being on this list. Sanderson is also a glaring oversight.
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Glad I could be of assistance! LOL.
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Phonetically it's UP.
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Was just on Trackwrestling and noticed something called the Back to School Brawl at Northrup H.S. in Ft Wayne. Does anyone have the specifics (the date is 9/1) as to style, what association is hosting it, etc?
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I don't think a ref calling stalling or stalemates more quickly when heavier weight kids are on the mat is going to do much to change the style of wrestling you see displayed by the heavies. Better have a paramedic and a portable defibrillator matside if this occurs.
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I guess I see them as cheap when it's off a takedown. I agree that scoring back points from the mat is very difficult in FS.
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I am definitely a fan of folk over any other style but there is some ridiculous stalling that takes place in folkstyle. The thing about FS I'm not a fan of is the cheap backpoints that are awarded.
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So based on these numbers it appears that they really never do much at Fargo, at least as far as their pedigrees are concerned. So I would guess that it's fair to say they concentrate more on folkstyle than the intl styles. And maybe it's a population thing. They are so much bigger than IN they can get away with, for all intents and purposes, "ignoring" the intl styles whereas, some would argue, and not incorrectly, I might add, that IN is too small to ignore intl styles and has to embrace it to get better. Others would argue we need, in addition, to class wrestling. Frankly, if SD has class wrestling then IN should too, I suppose. LOL
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Don't get me wrong, I don't believe IN performed poorly at all at Fargo this year. I guess it's just surprising that a lot of folks believe if we promote and our kids get more behind FS and GR this will go a long way towards making us a better wrestling state when two of the states ususally mentioned as great (OH and NJ) seem to pay more attention to folkstyle. My mindest is any style is going to help you get better, basically anything that gets a kid out on the mat is OK by me, but I prefer my own kids to get better/concentrate on folk. That's why I kinda think people who attack HYWAY are a little off base. What are your thoughts?
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Here are the AA totals by state: IL 52 PA 40 MN 36 IA 27 MO 26 CA 23 WA 20 NY 20 MD 19 NJ 19 MI 18 WI 18 OH 17 UT 16 OK 16 IN 15 OR 15 ID 13 KS 12 FL 11 TX 10 VA 10 CO 7 AZ 7 GA 6 SC 6 NM 5 MON 3 WV 3 HI 3 ND 3 AL 2 WY 2 LA 2 NB 2 NV 2 SD1 TN 1 NC 1 Del 1 CT 1 AK 1