TheAncientElder

The Indiana Grappler/The American Grappler: The paper/magazine was published from 1989 to 1998. The last issue was the September 1998 issue. It started out as The Indiana Grappler, in paper form, in 1988/89. It changed to a magazine for the September 1991 issue. The name was changed to The American Grappler starting with the September 1994 issue. Great magazine but cost and the Internet finally did it in. It did the rankings on a monthly basis. The founder/publisher was Rick Chitwood. Rick wrestled for Columbus North HS and was a state qualifier at HWT in 1980. He was related to all of the Chitwoods that wrestled for Bloomington/Bloomington South. He received the IHSWCA Media award at the IHSWCA Hall Of Fame banquet in 1992. Rich also received several national awards for the magazine and for his photography. TheAncientElder (TAE) The Imperial Potentate and Grand Poobah of Classless wrestling in Indiana. I wear my Fez with pride. www.theancientelder.net

GrecoCoach, I am crushed. I try to generate a peaceful town hall meeting for you and what do I get? A threat of physical violence? Are you worried that instead of your usual 6 donuts you will only get 3? You will have to make sacrifices for the good of the overflow crowd. TheAncientElder (TAE) The Imperial Potentate and Grand Poobah of Classless wrestling in Indiana. I wear my Fez with pride. www.theancientelder.net

The sectionals were implemented to reduce the size of the tournament. The state was held at Tech HS. It was a one-day tournament and often lasted well past midnight. In the mid 80?s the ISWA implemented Sectionals to reduce the size by allowing wrestlers to qualify for the state. You had to place in the top 3 at a local tournament to qualify for the sectionals. You had to place in the top 6 at a sectional to qualify for the state. Rex was right about wrestlers going out of their sectional to qualify for the state. It became impossible to control. Wrestlers were using fake addresses to ?qualify? for a certain sectional. It was impossible to check at weigh-ins. The ISWA still has this problem periodically at the state with out of state wrestlers. And the sectionals would kill a weekend that local teams need to hold their own moneymaking tournaments. The ISWA has very little income other than the state tournaments and to reduce the size of these would eliminate the fairgrounds as a venue and reduce the amount of money that could be used to support the wrestlers at national tournaments. JUST ATTEND THE ISWA MONTHLY MEETINGS AND TALK TO THE PEOPLE. IT WILL OPEN YOUR EYES AS TO WHAT IT TAKES TO RUN THE ORGANIZATION. TheAncientElder (TAE) The Imperial Potentate and Grand Poobah of Classless wrestling in Indiana. I wear my Fez with pride. www.theancientelder.net

AJ, They had that about 20 years ago. Only the top 6 from each sectional quallified for state. TheAncientElder (TAE) The Imperial Potentate and Grand Poobah of Classless wrestling in Indiana. I wear my Fez with pride. www.theancientelder.net

Y2, Based on your glowing response I can't wait to hear from WildCatWrestling1902. TheAncientElder (TAE) The Imperial Potentate and Grand Poobah of Classless wrestling in Indiana. I wear my Fez with pride. www.theancientelder.net

The only way you could compare these two is by weight. Ellis was 119 as a senior. Tsirstsis was was 119 as a freshman. Ellis was a wrestler in the era of strength. Tsirtsis was a wrestler in the era of technique. Different rules, different styles. Again you are trying to compare apples to oranges. Both were great. Let it go at that. TheAncientElder (TAE) The Imperial Potentate and Grand Poobah of Classless wrestling in Indiana. I wear my Fez with pride. www.theancientelder.net

Y2CJ41: 1. To improve the participation in Freestyle/Greco you are going to have to convince the wrestlers that this style is to their advantage. At this point FS/Greco comes around every four years (Olympics). Sorry about that, but Folkstyle is always there (middle school, high school, college). Stop hammering away at the IHSAA, ISWA, IHSWCA, etc. Go to the national level and work for a common level in wrestling. 2. Again you have to go to the national level to address this one. USA sets cost for cards. 3. The tournaments are there but the participation is low. Two tournaments or one hundred doesn?t matter. 4. RED FLAG, hand picked is a recipe for disaster. Send the best you can recruit at each weight (according to the selection criteria) and work with that. Trying to beg or pay a better wrestler to participate may get you a medal or title but will cost you in the long run. 5. This is a control issue. Where are the wrestlers at any given point? The controlling organization is at the mercy of the hosting group as to the how the wrestlers are being monitored. 6. Open for discussion. 7. The ISWA hold OPEN monthly meetings for exactly this purpose. Please see the ISWA site for time and location. 8. If they are not showing up for the existing camps and tournaments there must be a problem. Lack of interest, coaches not interested in female participation, etc.? 9. The number of officials has always been a problem. Money is not the issue. Control is the issue. The ISWA, IHSAA, etc have to crack down even more on coaches. I almost want to say that coaches, like officials, should be licensed. More and more you are seeing high school wrestlers getting into coaching with little or no teaching. Rules change from year to year but coaches are not required to attend rules clinics. In my opinion if a coach approaches the table more than once in a match either he is not current on the rules or the official has a problem. 10. A work in progress. Keep up the efforts. 11. missing? 12. Folkstyle is a cashcow. Sorry if that offend some. If there was not enough participation the season would be shortened. 13. missing? 14. missing? 15. The number of kids that can go has not really changed. The number of tournaments is the problem. If you do not recognize the tournament some other organization will. If it is not a qualifying tournament of some sort it could probably be classified as a moneymaker for some organization. Wildcatcountry97: 1. Won?t happen. Folkstyle, at this point, is to popular. 2. There is not that big a change in the stats. 3. AMEN 4. AMEN. And you are right on the, ?outdated MD singlets?. Possibly the ISWA could decide on a single uniform and go with a dating format. TheAncientElder (TAE) The Imperial Potentate and Grand Poobah of Classless wrestling in Indiana. I wear my Fez with pride. www.theancientelder.net

State Champions, place winners and qualifiers: 1969 138 1 12 Phil Lengerich 1974 112 Q 11 Dave O'Campo 1974 132 Q 12 Pat Briede 1975 98 Q3 10 Greg Mankey 1975 119 4 12 Bruce Thieme 1975 132 Q1 12 Victor Beer 1976 98 Q 10 Marcus O'Campo 1976 138 Q Mike Snider 1977 98 Q 11 Marcus O'Campo 1977 177 3 10 Chris Mahlan 1977 Hwt 1 12 Bill Schultz 1978 105 Q 10 Jeff Franze 1978 112 4 12 Marcus O'Campo 1978 119 2 11 Rex Brewer 1978 185 2 11 Chris Mahlan 1979 112 Q 11 Jeff Franze 1979 126 2 Gene Grote 1979 138 3 11 Steve Carter 1979 185 1 12 Chris Mahlan 1980 105 2 11 Denny Faurote 1980 119 2 12 Jeff Franze 1980 138 3 12 Steve Carter 1981 98 1 11 Brent Faurote 1981 112 Q2 12 Denny Faurote 1982 105 4 12 Brent Faurote 1983 145 Q1 12 Tony Roman 1983 Hwt 2 12 Jeff Bennett 1984 112 Q5 11 Tony Kaehr 1984 119 Q4 11 Bill Hinkledire 1984 145 Q3 11 Ed Thomas 1984 177 Q3 11 Mickey Friedt 1984 Hwt Q1 10 Tyler Cowans 1985 112 Q11 9 Paul Gunsett 1985 119 Q7 12 Ty Hanni 1985 126 Q9 12 Bill Hinkledire 1985 155 Q5 12 Mark McDonald 1985 167 3 12 Mickey Friedt 1985 Hwt Q4 11 Tyler Cowans 1986 119 Q8 10 Paul Gunsett 1986 126 2 11 Greg Krider 1986 Hwt 5 12 Tyler Cowans 1987 98 6 10 Troy Gerke 1987 112 2 11 John Faurote 1987 119 4 11 Paul Gunsett 1987 126 4 12 Greg Krider 1987 132 2 10 Paul Baker 1987 145 Q5 11 Mike Tricker 1987 177 2 11 John Kintz 1988 112 Q3 12 Rod Busick 1988 125 3 12 John Faurote 1988 130 1 11 Paul Baker 1988 135 1 12 Paul Gunsett 1988 140 Q8 12 Ben Kreischer 1988 145 Q3 12 Mike Tricker 1988 171 Q7 12 John Kintz 1989 130 Q4 12 Pat Mendez 1989 135 Q4 12 Jeff Myers 1989 140 3 12 Paul Baker 1989 160 Q5 10 Brian Ashley 1991 112 Q9 9 Jason Krider 1991 160 6 12 Brian Ashley 1991 171 Q3 12 Joe Ruble 1992 103 6 9 Tim Myers 1992 112 Q 10 Jason Krider 1993 119 1 10 Tim Myers 1993 145 6 12 Dan Friedt 1994 112 5 10 Jason Baker 1994 119 2 12 Jason Hayes 1994 125 Q 12 Jason Krider 1994 130 1 11 Tim Myers 1994 135 2 11 Jarrod Werst 1994 145 4 9 T. J. Hays 1994 152 7 12 Ed Wolpert 1995 100 6 11 Andrew Tyler 1995 119 5 11 Jason Baker 1995 126 Q 11 Sam O'Campo 1995 134 2 12 Tim Myers 1995 142 4 12 Jarrod Werst 1995 151 5 10 T. J. Hays 1995 160 Q 12 Tony Girod 1995 172 7 12 Brian Anderson 1996 119 Q 12 Sean Faurote 1996 125 1 12 Jason Baker 1996 130 4 12 Sam O'Campo 1996 152 1 11 T. J. Hays 1996 171 Q 12 David Harvey 1996 215 Q 11 Darryl Hebble 1996 Hwt Q 12 Greg Wurm 1997 112 5 11 Andy Miesse 1997 140 3 12 Jim Mankey 1997 160 5 12 T. J. Hays 1997 171 Q 12 Jamie Aloisio 1998 112 4 9 Nick Koons 1998 125 4 12 Andy Miesse 1998 135 4 11 Ben Faurote 1998 152 Q 12 Chad Johnson 1998 171 Q 12 Paul Ruble 1998 189 7 12 Brian Wurm 1999 119 4 10 Nick Koons 1999 135 3 12 Ben Faurote 1999 145 3 9 Randy Baker 2000 103 1 9 John Sheets 2000 140 6 11 Tom Friedt 2000 160 3 10 Randy Baker 2001 112 3 10 John Sheets 2001 130 4 12 Nick Koons 2001 140 Q 11 Tim Ortiz 2001 152 7 12 Tom Friedt 2001 171 6 11 Randy Baker 2001 189 Q 12 Dustin Hormann 2002 119 3 11 John Sheets 2002 125 Q 10 Joel Koons 2002 130 Q 12 Adam Butcher 2002 135 7 11 Matt Burkhalter 2002 140 3 12 Tim Ortiz 2002 152 6 11 Daniel Reinhart 2002 171 7 12 Randy Baker 2002 215 4 12 Mitch Billington 2003 119 3 12 John Sheets 2003 135 7 12 Andrew Scheumann 2003 160 7 12 Daniel Reinhart 2004 125 2 10 Matt Irwin 2004 140 Q 10 Nathan Scherer 2004 171 Q 12 Eric Martin 2005 103 7 10 Derek Nelson 2005 125 4 12 Tyler Cress 2005 130 3 11 Matt Irwin 2005 135 Q 12 Travis Yoquelet 2005 145 4 11 Nathan Scherer 2006 103 Q 9 Will Sheets 2006 112 Q 11 Derek Nelson 2006 135 1 12 Matt Irwin 2006 140 Q 9 Tyler Baker 2006 145 6 12 Nathan Scherer 2006 160 Q 12 Jon Kiefer 2007 119 Q 12 Derek Nelson 2007 135 Q 11 Doug Linthicum 2007 145 Q 10 Tyler Baker 2007 160 7 11 Ryan Baker 2007 171 8 11 Ben Bultmeier 2007 189 Q 10 Billy Baker 2008 125 4 11 Will Sheets 2008 140 Q 12 Doug Linthicum 2008 145 6 11 Tyler Baker 2008 160 3 12 Ryan Baker 2009 160 Q 12 Trenton Busse 2009 189 Q 12 Travis Thatcher 2009 215 1 12 Billy Baker 2009 285 Q 10 Daniel Meyer TheAncientElder (TAE) The Imperial Potentate and Grand Poobah of Classless wrestling in Indiana. I wear my Fez with pride. www.theancientelder.net

Simple, As an assistant coach, you would have to over rule all of the listed people to pull out of the IHSAA! TheAncientElder (TAE) The Imperial Potentate and Grand Poobah of Classless wrestling in Indiana. I wear my Fez with pride. www.theancientelder.net

Warrendasd, True. There have been at least three state place winners striped of their medals after the state tournament for practicing with wrestlers from other schools before the finals. TheAncientElder (TAE) The Imperial Potentate and Grand Poobah of Classless wrestling in Indiana. I wear my Fez with pride. www.theancientelder.net

Y2, Garrett HS Supt: Dennis Stockdale Prin: Keeman Lobsiger AD: Steve Rhoades Head Wrestling Coach: Lucas Fielden Tell me again how you are pulling out of the IHSAA? TheAncientElder (TAE) The Imperial Potentate and Grand Poobah of Classless wrestling in Indiana. I wear my Fez with pride. www.theancientelder.net

SINGLE CLASS, I heard that. TheAncientElder (TAE) The Imperial Potentate and Grand Poobah of Classless wrestling in Indiana. I wear my Fez with pride. www.theancientelder.net

I am seeking someone with access to the high school semi state records records. e-mail me at theancientelder@comcast.net or send me a PM TheAncientElder (TAE) The Imperial Potentate and Grand Poobah of Classless wrestling in Indiana. I wear my Fez with pride. www.theancientelder.net

Is it just me or has this site developed the same virus that the other site had? The mysterious missing posts virus. TAE

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Y2, You probably want to know the "SECRET HANDSHAKE" too. But you can't unless you go through the "SECRET INITIATION". And if you get to be a 33rd degree coach you get your own "NO CLASS" wrestling pin. TheAncientElder (TAE) The Imperial Potentate and Grand Poobah of Classless wrestling in Indiana. I wear my Fez with pride. www.theancientelder.net

They are not super secret documents. Join the IHSWCA and they will probably give you a copy. TheAncientElder (TAE) The Imperial Potentate and Grand Poobah of Classless wrestling in Indiana. I wear my Fez with pride. www.theancientelder.net

This is the type of CRAP I have to tolerate when I ask a simple question. ?I should be able to answer those questions. My wife's grandmother went to school with those guys. At my prep I will give her a call.? I think that I am the Rodney Dangerfield of this board. ?I don?t get any respect? You would think that I am 116 years old. TheAncientElder (TAE) The Imperial Potentate and Grand Poobah of Classless wrestling in Indiana. I wear my Fez with pride. www.theancientelder.net

Ref. Barnett, Not a good idea. He hates coaches that cannot stay in the box and stalling worse than I do. TAE

I was not offended by the responses. But it appears I offended the stripes. My apologies. TAE

Mr. Barnett, IT WAS A JOKE. Cut me some slack. I totally understand the way the officials are selected. I will delete my post. Humor is not appreciated. TAE

(Deleted for lack of humor on the site) TAE

ARich, Muncie High School 37-39. TheAncientElder (TAE) The Imperial Potentate and Grand Poobah of Classless wrestling in Indiana. I wear my Fez with pride. www.theancientelder.net

blah blah blah, No there has never been a 4x runner up. And there has only been one 3x runner up 1923 100 2 10 Raymond Sparks T. H. Wiley 1924 100 2 11 Raymond Sparks T. H. Wiley 1925 108 2 12 Raymond Sparks T. H. Wiley TheAncientElder (TAE) The Imperial Potentate and Grand Poobah of Classless wrestling in Indiana. I wear my Fez with pride. www.theancientelder.net