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About time, We were at all those venues right along with you just took my Daughter back to the bloomington sportsplex last year for a basketball tourney first time we had been back since our second folkstyle state there.The only difference at middle school state was my sons last match was 11:50 pm and the sports of all sorts complex I remember blowing my nose afterwards and it was black couldn't help but think what kind of air the wrestlers were breathing when they were sucking wind. ???

Guru, I never said all Ohio tournaments I said the Ohio T of C. But yes we have wrestled in Ohio alot and the Cincinnati youth tourneys that we went to used the same format as the T of C same mat all day.They used to split the age groups as well 5-8's in the mornings and 9-12's in the afternoons 1n 8 man double elimination brackets and we would be done in 4 hrs or less. We used to wrestle in the Dayton Ohio youth league as well but they would pair the kids up by age and win/loss records and put them in 4 man round robin groups if you had a stud you could bump them up a age group.It was in Dayton's rules that your mini-tourney had to be done in 3 hours or things would have to change. Dayton also had meetings before the season started that coaches would attend and bid on which mini-tourneys they wanted to attend once that tourney reached it's maximum amount in numbers you could no longer bid on it.Dayton is also USAW sanctioned.Cincinnati's was open to anyone and was insured by a private insurance co.We went to these for years prior to becoming involved in the ISWA and both these leagues had a leg up on us without a doubt.So to say we never wrestled in Ohio very much you are wrong my friend.

sb25, I went back and paragraphed it.Sorry it was so long.I never was very good in english.Math was my thing. I was at the first middle school state tourney at New Castle the year after the ISWA quit doing them. My boy weighed in at 7am wrestled his last match for a true second at 11:50 pm.This was on a Sunday we had work and school the next day! Talk about brutal. Stuff like that is what needs to change.

It was Todd. I have not been to a Iswa tourney in a couple of years now so maybe things are better these days . I am just putting in my two cents worth as far as my experiences have been in the past.I am not trying to start any trouble but trying to explain which formats that I have witnessed have worked the best.I too have experienced similar situations as Mr. Harris in ISWA tournaments in the past but like I said it was years ago.I would hear other people complain as well.I would always try to make the best of it though and tell my family to do the same and we pretty much did.I know you folks work hard to try and put on the best tournaments possible and I applaud those efforts.I know that sometimes it must be a little aggravating to you to work your butt off only to have someone bad mouth you.Don't worry I know your intentions are for the best of the great sport of wrestling.Like I said though in the past my suggestions have fell on deaf ears so to speak and that made me feel kind of aggravated as well. I feel as though I have done somethings right as far as bringing my son up through Indiana wrestling for he wrestled in 3 state championship matches in the 4 years he was in high school.Keep up the good work.

lpd096 Thank you sir.I too also appreciate the ISWA's efforts to the great sport of wrestling as well as what it has done for my son.

I agree 5 hours is way to long. The 1st ISWA tournament I took my son to many many moons ago was at the purdue fieldhouse. It was just a small open tourney we arrived there at 8am his first bout was supposed to be at 9am the other kid was a no show he never wrestled his first match until 1pm. He had a 8 man double elimination bracket. I saw empty mats with no action for long periods of time. Like Walt Harris I became a little disgruntled with ISWA wrestling.I still however took my son to every ISWA tournament that we could make including all the state series from that point on.Some were bad and some were a little better.I have volunteered and so has my wife and other folks from our community.I have made suggestions to people to run these tourneys just like the Ohio tournament of champions several times and I get short little snippity answers I even suggested it to the ISWA tournament director once and his response was we can't do that.No well why don't you tell me more about it or maybe we will look into it or anything just no! I made this suggestion on the old forum one time and people started bashing me and the Tof C which in my honest opinion is one of the most efficent and organized tourneys that my son ever wrestled in.. O.K. so now I am going to explain again how it works and also tell you some of the negative feedback I got and try to shoot down some of those arguments here and please remember I am just trying to help.1st off the kids wrestled on the same mat all day.Everything for that group of kids is done right there at that table.If you have a 1000 kids and 16 mats that is about 63 kids per mat now you say that there was on average about 20 kids per bracket. I am sure that some had less and some had more none the less you divid them up as evenly as possible.Each mat then might have on average 3 weight and age groups. You tell the wrestlers and/or write on their bracket sheet in the hallway what mat that they are assigned to all day.You hang a sign at each table that says their age and wght.A i.e. would be like pee-wee 40 bantam 95 novice115.Now by doing this we also make it more spectator friendly as well because now we can camp out by the same mat all day and we don't have to wait around to see what mat little johnny is wrestling on.Now instead of running from mat to mat or gym to gym everytime he is up we stay put and relax until he is up.Thus eliminating some of the hustle and bustle and probably saving some time in the process not to mention eliminating the bout number announcers who are probably hoarse by the end of the day.Now you keep track of the bout numbers at each table and you already have it lined out on the bracket sheets in the hallway so that we already know that the semi-final match is bout 80 or the first consi is bout 95.Now if the tourney is folkstyle line brackets like this past weekends I know this will work.Line bracketing I am not so sure about but with the powers to be I'm sure you could make it work there as well as to where when the novices are wrestling you could be busy pairing the bantams at the time and so forth. How many pairers are there at a typical ISWA state tourney? If you had enough to put one at each table it would work. Now the responses that I got in the past were."Well we just don't have the money to buy the expensive electric scorers to keep bout numbers on like the T of C has" My answer is keep a 100 page spiral note pad taped to the table with the bout numbers wrote on it with magic marker you can write 1-99 on one side and 100-199 on the other and if it comes down to it you can write a 2 in front of the 1st set of numbers when those bouts are over and you could wrestle 300 bouts at one table with a 2 dollar pad of notebook paper." The T of C pays there help and we just get volunteers."My answer is my son has wrestled at both and I see the same thing 1 adult and 3 to 4 12 to 16 yr olds at each table whether they are getting paid or not.IT IS THE SAME PEOPLE.You would need probably 1 compentent person at each mat to run things at that mat someone who knows wrestling and how the brackets work and keep things running smoothly at that mat. Again 16 mats = 16 people I'm sure you could find 16 compentent people to do the job."We went to the T of C years ago and it was a mess they were calling my son to wrestle and he was wrestling at the time and it was utter chaos"My answer is that may well have been but I started taking my son there in 2000 so it must of been before that. We went all the way up to 2010 and we never experienced any of those things Like I said in the beginning it has been the best ran tourney that I have ever been to.But do you think They got it right the very first time? Probably not it was through trial and error and trying new things.That is the one thing that the ISWA does not do too much of is trying new things that I have seen in my 11 + years of involvement with them.How does the old quote go Ignorance is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.They rather take your idea as a threat and shoot it down before you ever get it out of your mouth just like I said I talked to the Director.Maybe sometimes you should listen to others ideas with an open mind instead of looking down your nose at them thinking you're smarter then them."Isn't the T of C modified to a one period 3 min long with no referees position and lack of activity or out of bounds results in a neutral start"My answer is yes it is and this is about the only thing that I see that would make their tourney faster than ours.But I still think that the wrestle on one mat with bout numbers at that mat is the way to go.Try it work the bugs out and I think it will make alot more people happier than not. You are not going to make everyone happy anyways.Just a suggestion Hope this helps!

Every year Indiana takes 2 teams to the brute scholastic showcase which consist of the top 2 highest placing under classmen in each weight class juniors and below! It used to be held in York PA. But was moved to Wabash College last year I believe.That makes it alot easier for some of our better kids to attend I would think. Great competition and it gives college coaches a chance to see what's up and coming.

You forgot Atomic Bombs Pretty close counts with Atomic Bombs also ;D

The Ohio University Bobcats where Indiana's 2009 State Champion and 2x State Runner-up Michael Duckworth is attending school beat # 12 Central Michigan this past evening by the score of 22-17 the Bobcats recorded falls at 125 and 174.The 174 match was huge when 23rd ranked Nick Purdue (cool last name huh) from Ohio pinned # 5 ranked Ben Bennett from Central Michigan in just over 4 min. Michael lost his wrestle off to Nick earlier in the season by a score of 10 to 4.Central Michigan has already posted wins this season over Purdue and Michigan State.Another big win for the Bobcats came at 157 when back-up 149 pounder Casey Gordan beat CM's Ryan Cubberly in OT.The bobcats were missing their starters at 149 Brad Squire and 157 Chris Kline due to Injury. Squire teched 2x Indiana state champion Frankie Porras 20 to 5 earlier this year at the MSU open and also beat Daniel Young 3 to 1. Squire is a true freshman I look for some great things from this young man in the future.Another Indiana wrestler Chad Friend also wrestled and beat the bobcats RS freshman Ryan Garringer 6 to 5. The Bobcats are 3 and 0 in the MAC so far this season. GO BOBCATS!!

Chris Barnhizer I think he got hosed in the semi-final at state vs. Taylor Vieck.Vieck went on to win and Chris had to settle for 3rd

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So Lumpkin never gets an escape and Flecther is still in control at that point which would make perfect sense thanks for clearing that up

Kenny Pipenger Centerville made it to friday night at state his sophomore year at 119 in 2006 and never made it out of the regional his junior year at 125 in 2007.

Something just does not sound right with your first scenario don't you have to be in control to be awarded back points and if Fletcher wasn't awarded a takedown he wasn't in control and should not have been awarded any back points.Now I have seen a defensive wrestler get a fall but I have never seen them awarded back points without a reversal.If a defensive wrestler could be awarded back points wouldn't both wrestlers get back points everytime a tilt was ran? I questioned a official on this very same thing years ago and won my argument when the head official intervened and my wrestler was awarded 2 back and 2 takedown instead of just 2 back I think Coach Day should have approached the table and asked for clarification on this one.

This was total BS I can't understand why if you can't provide a bus why the athletes can't find alternate transportation.I know our wrestling program has a strong parent following so whats the difference if a kid rides to the meet and back with his parents than if they go anywhere else together.Last night Union County wrestled Franklin County both teams had 2 forfeits.So now we are talking about 12 wrestlers say out of those 12 10 parents show now we only need special permission for 2.In a case such as this instead of making the away school suffer on senior night you leave your JVers at home if it is an issue.I think if it was me coach I would get the parents of the affected kids involved along with you and your coaching staff get a good attorney and sue the IPS for discrimination.I think you would have a very strong case.Even if you don't win they will have to go to court and fight on there behalf might make them think twice about doing something like this again in the future. Maybe the wrestling community on here can ban together with some kind of funds to help with the legal fees on this and take it to them! Good luck to you and your team coach sounds to me like you are trying to do whats right.