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How does that work? I'd assume there are tiebreakers like the number of pins or total wins or something like that, but I honestly haven't looked into it
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Is that not what you're supposed to do? "I smashed them kids and put em in debtors prison!"
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Predictions for 4a Team State seeds
rrschott replied to BIGCATSontheMAT's topic in High School Wrestling
I'd probably put Cathedral over Mater Dei, but you could also make the argument for CP over BB, then you'd end up with basically the same matchups. -
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Notable results, upsets & happenings from December 16th.
rrschott replied to buttler73's topic in High School Wrestling
Not totally unexpected, but CG over Indian Creek at the Johnson county championship 83-0. -
Cg/bb/cp likely comes down to bonus points, and any of them trash any other team in the state. There really is that much parity at the top and separation from the field.
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IHSAA Wrestling Grievances – The 12 Days of IHSAA Christmas
rrschott replied to ghughes1974's topic in High School Wrestling
IMHO an interesting compromise would be a classed tournament, followed by a tournament of champions, taking the 8 placers in each class and running them through a 32 man bracket to determine a definitive champion at each weight (maybe placing 4?). The major upside (as I see it) is you would get an extra week of wrestling for the top 32 wrestlers at each weight class. I sincerely doubt it will ever happen, but it would be really interesting. -
That is helpful, and explains why our coaches preach that if you don't have the reversal to get clear separation to ensure you get your point before you re-engage.
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Huh?
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Wasn't forfeit 3-10 in one of the sectionals this year?
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Put another way, CG would have needed to run the table in the championship matches (i.e. 5 state champions and a total of 8 medalists), and would still come up short. To win this year's state title, CG would have needed 5 champions and 10-11 placers, and even then it would have been close.
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I heard it put into perspective at the end of the latest episode of Gorilla radio: CP was a champion and another placer better than CG, who qualified 12 and placed 8 this year. That's a pretty big gap.
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any more details on this? website? registration?
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CG at team state was pretty banged up with a few key holes in the lineup. IIRC, they were basically spotting everyone 9-12 points per dual that day, and still came in 3rd.
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You don't let him. There's respectful ways to continue the conversation, and there's always the option to engage the head referee at the tournament (IIRC, they were called in for something that came up in another match).
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I hate to say it, but at that point it's on the coaches to make sure everything is scored correctly. review the sequence in Track, make sure their wrestler is credited with the escape, and make the ref explain why it's not going to OT. That's the coaches' obligation to their wrestler, and there are certainly ways to raise those issues in a respectful manner while still advocating for your guy, especially with that much on the line.
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I get what you're going for, and I don't hate it, but it does lead to some questions. How does this work in the 2nd/3rd period when someone is starting from the top position with no takedown? At that point, you're kind of punishing the person who's successfully riding their opponent by resetting to neutral even though the person on bottom didn't earn it. At that point, you're rewarding the person who's better on their feet. What if the person on top has gotten a turn (or more), but at the 1 minute mark isn't in the process of another turn/takedown attempt?
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there's gonna be 4 of them on one team?
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Honestly, I kind of doubt that. 1. I don't think they want to do that, they seem to really like being that 1-2 punch to round out CP's lineup. 2. "Smaller" Clark's frame seems like he could make 215 no problem and be even more dangerous than he is right now because some of the bigger 220's will be cutting to make weight each week and he'll be on weight the whole season.
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I'd argue you've seen more high school kids score turns. Even in the heavyweights, at least in the Big10, they're constantly attacking and looking for something to use for a turn/tilt, but they're just really good at defending it. It's subtle, but still there.
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riding time only matters if you accumulate more than a minute surplus at the end of the match, which is an incredibly hard thing to do. Most of those guys also aren't just laying there; they're constantly attacking wrists/elbows/ankles looking for the turn because they know the other guy is good enough to get a takedown and swing the match if they don't score more points (if they weren't, they wouldn't be there). Honestly, I love the format, and I kind of wish they'd bring the 4 points for a 5 count near fall and the neutral danger scoring to high school.
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It definitely is a good analogy. And within a dual meet, it's pretty easy to adapt to an individual ref; within an individual tournament, it becomes a little more problematic. It would be like getting a different umpire every batter.
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I didn't see a second of that match; I was watching my son wrestle his ticket round match at the same time which was on the other end of the arena. I certainly see where you're going with the coach's challenge, although I'm not quite sure how you work that out without adding replay. Coaches can already raise objections, and the officials confer. Without replay, I don't see how you get them to alter the call they've made after they discuss it.
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it's definitely like a strikezone in baseball, but I'd argue it's way more impactful and you have much less of a chance to acclimate to it in competition; especially when it will change from match to match within a tournament based on the official.
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I got that. What I was saying was that in a lot of cases, a bad rating for a good call that a team didn't like would be cancelled out by the rating from the other team that saw it was actually the right call. Your example went on to state the other team might not provide that high rating because the call was actually questionable... I'm all for improving things, especially if it makes for more consistency. One area in particular is how different refs from different areas call stalling. That seems to lead to a ton of frustration, both for the wrestlers and parents. You go up north, stalling is called really quick; down south almost not at all (I don't think I saw a single point awarded for stalling in the EVSS). Then you get downtown and it's not consistent from match to match. (and to be clear, I don't care which way you go with it, I'd just like to see it consistent so the kids can adapt).
