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1 hour ago, lewdwar said:

152, a good example...
# 2 seeded Washington kid, no longer at 152...placed in 160 bracket...can't move a seeded wrestler

I was looking at the Southport sectional brackets and didn't see Washington listed in either weight class?

The only reason I can see this happening, The wrestler did not qualify for the 152 weight class and had to move up to 160. We had a situation come up at our seed meeting similar. A team had a 120 who weighed in too low that week so it wasn't a qualifying weigh in. The wrestler was injured and the rest of his weigh ins were above 120. The wrestler couldn't go 120, but a forfeit was entered at 126 so the wrestler wasn't allowed to go there either. To me, the kid should be allowed to wrestle at 126. I do understand not wanting to open that can of worms, but I would rather open it and let the kid wrestle than make him sit on the sideline.

Bryer Hall from South Dearborn wrestled 126 last year and is at 145 this season.

1 hour ago, Coach Mikesell said:

maybe the IHSAA needs to look at a qualifying weigh ins and at least one scratch qualifying weigh in the wrestler has to compete at that weight class in order to be eligible for that weight at sectional.  Potentially a wrestler could wrestle at a weight and have never competed at that actual weight class.  They get two pounds starting in Jan.  So they find a JV meet to weigh in to make scratch in December, get the two pounds, have 5 other qualified weigh ins and never compete at that scratch weight.  Thus creating a debacle in the seed meeting.  

Wrestlers do have to have a to make a scratch weight at the weight class they compete in for the sectional. They may not compete in that weight class on the day they make it, but that isn't the rule. Getting off topic just a bit, but the weight rule is something that needs to be looked at IMO. I have two thoughts. First, give the two pounds the first half of the season, and then remove it after Christmas. The IHSAA wants kids to be safe with their weight. This would allow wrestlers time to work down to their desired weight class and be safe while doing so. By Christmas time, wrestlers should have their weight management under control. My second thought is instead of saying a wrestler's minimum weight is 113, and if he weights 112.9 it doesn't count, just make it the wrestler has to make weight for the weight class. Then we don't run in to kids trying to drink water to add a few tenths right before weigh in to make sure they are at the correct tenth. Just a few thoughts.

9 hours ago, IWFTKWC11 said:

Cody Phillips from Union County had a situation similar to this as well. 103 champ 103 champ 113 3rd 126 4th at S.S. But I believe someone wrestled in his spot at state. Unsure of the reason. Great wrestler all together. 

I do agree, I think that jump up from 113 - 126 is an undertaking. Or any jump 2 weight classes really in my mind can impact the effectiveness of different styles of wrestling. Very interested to see how everything plays out at 126. 

Cody had hurt his shoulder and defaulted to fourth at semi-state and the coaches and him discussed wrestling at state and chose not to compete with his future, at the time, being in Minnesota.

Also at the EIAC, Otto from SD (106) lost to Tanner Busch of East Central, and then Busch lost in the finals to Andrew Merritt of Franklin County. At heavyweight, Josh Berger of Northeastern has beaten Zach McQueen of Connersville twice this year. McQueen's only two loses.

18 hours ago, runner-up said:

5. Coaches should strive to keep open minds when seeding assignments are being decided. The main objective of seeding is to have outstanding wrestlers separated in the brackets so that they will not meet each other until the finals. Seeding shall be based upon the wrestler's proven ability and not upon the desire for unwarranted advantage.  

 

I think this is also important. Coaches need to keep an open mind. Yes we all want our wrestlers to advance the furthest they possibly can, but we also need to be realistic. I think my point can be proven years ago when one of the Keiffer brothers and Brandon Wright were the #2 and #3 seeds because the #1 was the returning sectional champion in that weight class. I don't think you can argue strength of schedule because it is not the kids fault that they wrestle who they wrestle.I'm sure we all know of kids who come in with stellar records and higher seeds and then lose early in the tournament or do not advance. I think that goes back to the coaches keeping an open mind when seeding wrestlers. Also after a seed has been placed, the whole criteria for seeding starts over again.

Makes me want to strap up and wrestle! Great video!

57 minutes ago, Indy2014 said:

I bet Ragle will have a loss after this weekend.  He shouldn’t  be the number 1 seed.

I think the forum was about who the undefeated wrestlers are at this point in the season, not whether or not they should or shouldn’t be seeded wherever. Hard to say a kid who is undefeated shouldn’t be the number one seed. Thankfully seeds don’t mean squat, and that’s why we wrestle. Good luck to anyone who gets to compete tomorrow. Be safe.

The EIAC has been postponed until Monday.

They had to redraw four weight classes because of forfeits. I believe every weight class had at least one change but many weights had multiple changes so the brackets would be are to have accurate from the beginning. I will be more than happy to post pictures of the brackets tomorrow morning when we get there. I spoke with the Connersville coaches and they are optimistic that this tournament will be on track next year. Fingers crossed.

I have seen this in individual tournaments but never in a dual meet. I’m interested in knowing the answer as well.

Per their website, all freshman are in redshirt for now. I’m not sure when they will make the call, but they said they would make a decision throughout the first semester.

https://mgoblue.com/news/2018/11/1/season-preview-2018-19-michigan-wrestling.aspx

On 10/4/2018 at 11:57 PM, lcarmichael_15 said:

Knightstown is still looking for a head varsity coach, here is the link to the application https://core-docs.s3.amazonaws.com/documents/asset/uploaded_file/201742/2018_KHS_Wrestling_Coach.docx

Robbie Hadley is the new head coach at Knightstown.

3 hours ago, USMC0341 said:

I just relocated back from California after being in the United States marine corps. Looking for a highschool around greenwood and as far south as Columbus or Seymour area and everywhere between and near those areas that is looking for an assistant coach or middle school coach. I’m a center grove graduate semi state qualifier placed 2 times at the al smith invitational. Mulitple placements at the iswa state tournaments and have been on multiple team Indiana national teams. This sport has given a lot to me and I want to give back!

How far would you be willing to drive?

Was anybody else impressed how quick Snyder got his tie off?? Must of been a clip on! 

106: Bailey, Cottey, Hadley, Simone

113: Black, Eldred, Lowery, Oliver

120: Fair, Walendzak, Mattingly, Stapleton

126: Hall, Smiley, Viduya, Ragle

132: Noehre, Mosconi, Phillips, Wilkerson

138: Melloh, Moore, Walton, Coleman

145: Lohrey, Groves, Servies, Ball

152: Wagner, Browning, Rodgers, Warren

160: Eiteljorge, Coffman, Berkebile, Mosconi

170: Warren, Mahan, Lowe, Klettheimer

182: Allred, Below, Morgan, Gobeyn

195: Penola, Hansen, Irick, Bohman

220: Parris, Cornwell, McClaine, Burton

285: Obst, Fuller, Adams, Williams

Picked a few upsets along the way. Should be a great day of wrestling!

Also, the 106 from Centerville is out. Richmond’s Sean Alexander is the alternate. Tough break for Phillips too. He had a great shot to punch his ticket this year.

106: Otto SD, Vredeveld Ce, Schneider EC, Condo Mi

113: Black NC, Sollars K, Lonneman Mi, Busby Ce

120: Stapleton La, Wells GB, Condo FC, Owens NC

126: Hall SD, Phillips Ce, Ragle NC, Rose GB

132: Phillips Ce, Boggs SD, Negangard EC, Brown CCL

138: Pugsley Shen, Walton SD, Wolf EC, Walsh K

145: Lowery Shen, Humbert FC, Otto SD, Redd Co

152: Browning FC, Roberts La, Rohrig Mi, Clark Ce

160: Coffman UC, Massey Co, Suding FC, Noble EC

170: Hunter GB, Calderon Ce, Bohman FC, Reeves NC

182: Allred Shen, Rolfes La, Griffith Ru, Jackson Tri

195: Bohman FC, Utterback SD, Rohrig Mi, Sturm Ru

220: Parris La, Clouse NC, Rohn Co, Dick SD

285: Wisner K, Joya Ru, Koors GB, Snipes EC

Heard this one tonight...well my kid pinned him and your kid only decisions him...or my kid lost to him in overtime...it was his one bad match all year and he should have won

6 hours ago, grappleapple said:

What happened with the Rushville kid at 160? Why didn't he wrestle?

 

We had three kids out sick. Hopefully they will be healthy for next weekend.

2 minutes ago, Y2CJ41 said:

If a wrestler is 15-12 on a good schedule and has 4 forfeits he cannot be seeded unless he has head to head, common opponent, or is a ticket rounder. Thus if he wrestled a decent schedule, missed some key sectional opponent matches, and has no commons, he's thrown into the hopper and hoping he doesn't draw a top seeded guy in a win or go home match.

The only wrestler who could be seeded above your example is a kid that is 12-12 with no forfeits. I think at that point you are splitting hairs. I have seen weight classes in years past where the weight classes were down and wrestlers with losing records earned seeds. Typically wrestlers who are seeded have records that are much better than .500. I think the bigger issue again is the blind draw of the pigtail match.

1 minute ago, Y2CJ41 said:

It will affect kids that wrestle tougher schedules and are hovering around .500. It will affect kids that were out due to injuries, sickness, etc. It will affect kids that got down to weight later due to adhering to the weight loss plan.

 

A wrestler's record will travel with him if he drops a weight class. If wrestler A is 16-8 and 195 and drops to 182, the record still applies. If he doesn't have any forfeits, he will still be 16-8 at 182. If the kids wrestle solid competition all year, it won't matter. I think the bigger issue is drawing the pig tail match blindly, but that is a whole other can of worms.

There are so many other criteria's that will take place before you get to winning percentage. The only weight classes where I see this being an issue are your lighter weights, and if there are only 4-6 kids in the weight class, it isn't going to matter. I wonder if teams use this criteria at the conference meets as well.

1 hour ago, tangarrray said:

Curious if this match put the wrestlers over the 5 match limit for the day?

It did not. Each team wrestled four duals. That was each wrestlers 5th match of the day.