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  1. SIACfan
    it was a pin but time had expired.
  2. SIACfan
    OSU doesn't matchup well but I suppose noone does. IMO, Mendez is the best hope for a win. There are lots of good matchups but I think PSU takes the vast majority of them. D'Emilio is the only OSU wrestler that is ranked higher than his opponent, but Kasak has been wrestling very well lately and I don't have a lot of faith in D'Emilio. Another interesting matchup will be to see how Rocco Welsh fairs against Starocci.
  3. SIACfan
    Feldman looked good against Davison, but I got a feeling Kerkvliet will be too much for him. Could be interesting though.
  4. SIACfan
    Mendez vs Bartlett - hopefully! Should be fun.
  5. SIACfan
    I suppose it depends on what your reference is. My reference is from a decade ago & further. If you simply look at the data that Y2 provided in the other topic you will see that State Qualifiers from the Evansville Schools (which predominately comprise the SIAC) have declined significantly since 2013/2014. That list BTW doesn't include MD, and because it doesn't it gives a clear indication of the decline of the rest of the conference. But I did say (in the other topic) that the inclusion of Jasper & Vincennes does help some. I am simply old enough to remember the days when Reitz, Memorial, Castle & Central were all producing State Qualifiers at a much higher rate then they have lately.
  6. SIACfan
    This was Michigan vs OSU - it definitely means something!
  7. SIACfan
    The problem is that the northern portion of the state is much more populated the southern portion. Plus the Indy area is by far the most populated. When you look at the 4 SS locations you will find that Evansville is the furthest from all the rest. Thus there are going to be many schools that are closer to some of the other locations. Nothing is going to be perfect in this scenario. It is odd that they choose Evansville to host the State Finals this year, but I am glad they did. But clearly I am in the minority on that.
  8. SIACfan
    Now you're just bragging. I'm jealous, enjoy!
  9. SIACfan
    There is a thread that explains why. It is titled "SIAC decline..."
  10. SIACfan
    This Friday OSU hosts Michigan. Lemley vs Mendez!
  11. SIACfan
    If Thrine goes 126 in the tournament, does he become the favorite there? I would think he does. Has he wrestled at 126 any this year?
  12. SIACfan
    I assume you meant haven't seen him wrestle 126? And you don't avoid Hockaday at 132.
  13. SIACfan
    Unfortunately, I don't see this as just a one off year. But admittedly, I do not have a finger on the pulse of the pipeline. The SIAC used to be one of the tougher conferences in the entire state. As you said, they have been lead by MD for decades. But Reitz, Castle, Memorial, Central & Harrison are just not producing the same level of talent they used to. Maybe it is just a one off for Castle & Memorial. But Reitz, Central & Harrison seem to be in a decline over the last several years or longer. The addition of Jasper & Vincennes Lincoln should help some, but Reitz & Central used to have really solid programs & Harrison would always have a few solid individuals. I think the emergence of the elite wrestling academies has a lot to do with it. There is a bigger gap between the "dedicated wrestlers" & the "guys who wrestle". The good athletes that are "guys who wrestle" use to more easily have success a the state level. Now it pretty much takes a "dedicated wrestler" to even qualify for state. Maybe I am off, but that is how I see it.
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  15. SIACfan
    There has never been a time when IU was producing NCAA Champs every year or two. They use to have AA's every year or two, but the last AA they had was 2017 (Nathan Jackson). The gap between the haves & the have-nots has been increasing for a decade now, and with the transfer portal it is only getting worse.
  16. SIACfan
    Why would you call this a nightmare? Isn't it more a dream scenario?
  17. SIACfan
    All of this I can agree with, at least in theory. I'm not as sure as you that the result would be as good as you make it out, but it is possible. But it is also possible that there would simply be a handful of small schools that dominate. But at least there would be 3 to 4 sets of schools that dominate & the ones chasing them would have a better chance of catching up. But again this is a team thing not an individual thing. Iowa is a nice example, but as Y2 would say... They are such an extreme outlier that they totally skew the data.
  18. SIACfan
    Very nice & well presented reasoning supporting the need for class wrestling. For the most part I agree with what you have said. But these are teams issues not individual issues, and I have repeatedly admitted that small school teams are clearly at a big disadvantage. But I don't agree about the greatest factor of why large schools more consistently produce elite wrestlers. The greatest factor is that they have a larger population to draw from. When simply broken into 2 cases - large & small, the large schools comprise 78% of the student enrollment throughout the state. It then makes sense that 78% of the elite wrestlers should come from that enrollment. And that is exactly what we have seen in the percentage of State Qualifiers. It is true that large school individuals are going to have more/better in season training partners, but as even you eluded to in your second post the true wrestlers are training & wrestling outside of the HS season. And it is this year round commitment that is developing them into State quality wrestlers. The in-season training partners are a factor, but they are not the huge advantage from an individual standpoint that many small school coaches make it out to be. And the numbers bear this out. Again, small school teams are at a huge disadvantage - small school individuals are not. And the percentage of small school individuals having success bears this out. It is just very hard for small school coaches & fans to accept because the percentage is so lopsided.
  19. SIACfan
    Why? Team Champions would be crowned through the classed tournaments. The small schools would have their fair shot at a Team Championship. Plus the IHSWCA could still hold their Team State Duals.
  20. SIACfan
    I know that the IHSAA is not going to change because they view wrestling as an individual sport. But there is a simple solution. 4 Classes. Run the tournament just as it is today for each class except eliminate the SS step - Sectionals, Regionals, State. Then on the 4th weekend, when the State Championships are run now, have a Tournament of Champions. Bring the top 4 finishers from each class. Same amount of time to reach the conclusion of the season. It shouldn't take any more facilities either. There will simply be more travel at the sectional & regional level. Now we can move on to the wrestle-back debate!
  21. SIACfan
    These are good & valid points for class wrestling. But none of this means that an individual at a big school has an advantage over an individual at a small one in the State tournament given how it is held now.
  22. SIACfan
    Nice thanks! So Indiana ranked 14th in NCAA DI qualifiers in 2023. Slightly better than what should be expected from our population (17th). Additionally as I guessed, if you re-rank them looking at qualifiers per capita Indiana goes to 11th. 1. Iowa 5.0 qualifiers per 1 million in population 2. Pennsylvania 3.5 3. Oklahoma 3.2 4. Illinois 2.5 5. New Jersey 2.5 6. Minnesota 2.1 7. Ohio 1.9 8. Missouri 1.9 9. Michigan 1.6 10. Colorado 1.5 11. Indiana 1.0 12. New York 0.9 13. California 0.5 14. Florida 0.4 So as you can see Indiana while considerably behind the best wrestling states in the country, we are out performing our population numbers. And how many states with class wrestling is going to rank below us I wonder? Sorry but I do not believe that this proves beyond a doubt that class wrestling is going to improve our quality. Of course this does not include the entire list. I could only do this exercise for the short list that you provided. There are perhaps some states that are below us in pure numbers that would go ahead of us per capita. But again, I am not against class wrestling. It is needed for the team aspect. Unfortunately, the IHSAA is not concerned with that.
  23. SIACfan
    I'll give more food for thought regarding the Indiana vs Illinois wrestling talent. How many DI, DII & DIII wrestlers are both states producing on average? If Illinois is producing twice as many that should be expected. If they are producing 3 times as much or more than maybe Indiana needs to step it up.
  24. SIACfan
    Others can speak to this better than me, but Indiana ranks somewhere around 15th in the nation as far as producing top wrestling talent. We are the 17th most populated state, thus we are producing slightly above what should be expected. And I would bet that if you look at top talent produced per capita, Indiana would rank even higher. But more importantly, Indiana produces more wrestling talent than several states that have Class Wrestling with a larger population to pull from. To expect Indiana to produce wrestling talent near the level of Illinois when they have a strong wrestling tradition & nearly 2 times more the population of Indiana is naive. It is similar to expecting a 2A school to be able to evenly compete with a 4A school. It can happen but it is tough.
  25. SIACfan
    What you are saying has merit, but this is a small school team problem not an individual problem.
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