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  1. manvswild1
    I think a semi state then a state would be a good way to get the JV involved. Two rounds smaller venues more money and experience for the wrestlers sounds like a win win.
  2. manvswild1
    First off these teams you mention do not win the title every year. Secondly your same arguement could be use not to class wrestling. Just because some schools have quality programs doesn't mean we should class it. Matre dei wins the big devision on a consistant basis. If you split the classes it would be a race for second. Also if you think about it the same small schools would probably be in the finals every year. Programs that succeed always succeed. The last thing we need is more teams bringing 10 guys to state if were looking for parity in the sport we should start with supporting our own local wrestling programs. If we class individual all that will happen in our state is provide a bigger gap between teams. Some schools may bring 12 or 13 wrestlers to the state level instead of 10. This hurts every one. You want more parity the system we have now will eventually do thtat with community support.
  3. manvswild1
    Compitition makes good wrestlers great and the place where a lot of kids big schools and small get there compitition is the state tournement. So you hurt the top level kids from both sides classing the state. No true champion is also hurting the kids. Individuals want to know it as much as the public if your have a shot to be the best in the state you as a wrestler want to prove it not me as a fan.
  4. manvswild1
    This is a great idea to get involvement up. It would be great to have a JV state to help kids out. I know when you come to triton thats one of the downfalls no jv matches. Lets keep kids out and allow the JV to get a competitive schedule.
  5. manvswild1
    I agree 100%. I do think a classed title would give you a sense of sccomplishment in the individual side, but if you win your class you will be thought of as just one of the great wrestlers in the state that year. People put their work in to gain individual success and they deserve to have it by beating the best. It would be a slap in the face to me if I won a classed state title and others were saying I would be beaten by the higher classed stater. This workes both ways the higher classed guy could have the same thing going on. Truth be told these state champions work harder then anyone in the state and the current system leaves no doubts to who the best is.
  6. manvswild1
    How would your new system help struggling big schools. There are problems at all levels, and you are blinded by it. Big schools don't fill rosters either and you know from experience that a small school can compete your team has nearly a 70 % winning the past 5 season vs bigger schools. How are bad small schools going to get better because of the switch. It will make a mediocer small school a little better it will make a bad small school worse and it will make a mediocre big school horrible. This is not the time to be messing with the system. the economy is down and Indiana wrestling is up. Your system is totally unfair to big schools who do not have established programs. It also won't promote wrestling to bad smaller schools because they will still be at the bottom of the barrel. It only helps the top and the top of the small schools are already established wrestling communities.
  7. manvswild1
    Do any of the vp nominees have anything to offer up on the board. What are their views on the question of class wrestling if it is all or nothing. I want to make sure the voters know how they feel on the issue in all circumstances. This would be a great time to step up and let your opinions known so we here at the site can offer support to the guy who is about helping the state without hurting the individual.
  8. manvswild1
    This system will not be that thoughtful. If there are three systems every section will want to avoid matre dei. They are always competitive but I would venture to say they will stay in there own division. After all state titles are good for the recruitment process. there dynasty will continue only compared to today where they have competitive battles it will be a joke at the state finals. 20 + point blowouts the whole tournement.
  9. manvswild1
    How many states class the team side and not the individual? Are there any? If you get this liberal class wrestling ball rolling it will not stop at just classing teams they want individual also. I am sorry but I would rather shoot down the first one so we never got the second. Classing teams will lead to individual state being classed and thats a fact look at all of the other states and see. So to prevent classing the individual tournement we can not let the classing of teams take place. That should make sense to everyone I hope.
  10. manvswild1
    California, Indiana, and New Jersey are all qualtiy wrestling states and none of them have class wrestling. Big deal that we have the lowest percentage of staters we also have one of the most prestigous titles to win. I would argue that the elusive Indiana state title is a littly trickier to get to so those in contention work that much harder. In life the kids will find out nothing is easy and you have to fight for everything you do. If we give them a way out in sports and make them think they can't compete with everyone then what kind of a lesson are we showing our kids? I haven't given up on my kids at there program and I won't either and you shouldn't either. Trash the class
  11. manvswild1
    well over 60 percent believe how I do.
  12. manvswild1
    No offense to anyones opinions but i think our college wrestlers will start to go up no matter what we do in the next few years for the sole fact were very competitive right now and Indiana is producing some of the best wrestlers in the country. It has been a while if ever since we have had the success we currently do and I am just excited for the future of indiana wrestling as the system is right now.
  13. manvswild1
    It is apparent that the people pushing for the team side of things are also pushing for the individual class system. They already use the excuse that all other states have done it for the team side and that won't stop once they get team they will be striving for individual. We should fight this now before it is too late. If classing team does lead to classing individual state think about its ramifications. Both classed individual and team state will have less competition. The competition at individual state espescially in the smaller class will be downgraded there will only be one forth of the quality wrestlers in this division. Who does this hurt? It hurts the small school college wrestlers by not allowing for them to wrestle as many competitive matches. Many times these smaller schools do not have the schedules to challange there wrestlers already so it is scary to think what the down grading of talent at the state tournement will do for the elete wrestlers. If recruiting is an issue now it may turn into an epedemic. if my son had the talent to possible wrestle at the college level there is no way I would send him to a place that would not challange him. Lets stop this before its passed. It hurts good wrestlers in both divisions and doesn't allow add competition to wrestlers. So it's my opinion that classing the team section is not worth classing the individual side of things.
  14. manvswild1
    ok truth of the matter I would not see classing team as a bad thing, but classing the individual would come along with it. After all how many states do not have both. I am purposing that the small school wresters at the state tournement level benifit more from those matches then they do for all other matches during the season. For some of these wrestler especially the small schools this is their first time for real competition. It is a little harder for small schools to fill competitive schedules, and with the new system it will segregate there competition even more. After all as a coach I want to wrestle as many teams that will be in state as I can to get my wrestlers a better look at thier competition. Lets take a specific example Union County's Michael Duckworth. I would argue that he wrestled better compitition in the state tournement then he wrestled all season in fact he probably barly was teasted by 95% of his compitition with there schedule. In this case amoung a lot of others small school wrestlers would probably agree that there is no need to split up the individual competition. It does hurt the wrestlers that will be college atheletes. There is no shame in not being the best, but their is a shame to have two great wrestlers not compete against each other because of a system. Y2 you have said it yourself only 25 % of the wrestlers are from small schools. How would putting a class system allow for college level athelets like mr duckworth to be tested on a regular basis? The wrestlers of smaller schools do not fear bigger schools the may be intimadated by the man in front of them but not the school.
  15. manvswild1
    Y2 it would be the same as it currently is but probably worse. People won't get recruited more we because have more champs, there still the same wrestlers they were before class wrestling. If you want your wrestlers to go to college and wrestle maybe you should seek out the colleges. Plus maybe your wrestler just can't make the cut maybe there not good enough to wrestle college. Thats nothing to be ashamed of FYI. Your not going to fool the college system so don't try.
  16. manvswild1
    I completyly agee were doing this for he wrestler. What system would give the wrestler more high profile matches? A. thes system with hale the wrestlers? or B. all the wrestlers? As any geat individual you want to beat the best. Its part of your nature its who you are and for most people its why they wrestle. So even if you discuss the team I believe it is impossible to even bring up the individual aspect of class wrestling because it in no way benifits the wreslers. These are high school young men there is no reason to coddle them. Its alright if everyone is not a winner, it teaches good life lessons if nothing else. If we class the team individual will follow so its a double no if you ask me.
  17. manvswild1
    no they are loosing money compared to what they use too. Attendance is down and thats a fact they are going to see where it goes before they make a descision and my guess will be they will take less money and keep the current system so they won't look like they made the wrong choice.
  18. manvswild1
    Basically quit trying to change whats not broke your goingto break it and it will forever be screwed up 750 vs 550 is not that big of an advantage but your moving one up to wrestle 4500 kids 750 ets screwed so don't change anything.
  19. manvswild1
    No he is saying there is no perfect way to fix it so why give anyone an advantage. An advantage to some make for dissadvantages to others. You can't make it perfect so don't switch it and last time i checked garrett was a .700 program vs big schools maybe they should have to move up after all you want it to be fair.
  20. manvswild1
    Exactly right no one to make the system fair for everyone no matter how you try and right now its perfectly fine the way it is. A dynasty of matre dei has been broken up by competitive programs coming up. Let the parity happen on its own don't force it.
  21. manvswild1
    Well our fan base is not what to look at look at the states overal fan base and they have yet to even come close to full recovery of the class system. Your arguement of this is simply false on a whole it hurt and on a whole it will hurt wrestling. To tell the truth if you said I am out to win a title any wya i can i would have a lot more respect for you. So say it and i won't hold anything against u.
  22. manvswild1
    That would be interesting and it could show why indiana has been on the rise for the past few years. It use to be all freestyle i think you need to wrestle all styles to be the best you can be but folkstyle from younger ages would really help out the development process.
  23. manvswild1
    Did the classing make us a better team no it just made our competition worse. Its not like we really accomplished anything near our one regional championship team and I would gareentee the regional champion team would have beaten any of our other squads. Worse compitition and better results did not make our team better in fact it probably made it worse. To be tested is better for highschool sports then anything else. I think one of the biggest benifits in wrestling is that the current system test your ability to succeed under pressure and lets you no what your capable of. Its no fun to blow out people I would rather loose by two to a great team then blow out a crappy team by thirty. Just my opinion.
  24. manvswild1
    There will alwyas be ego's most states have classed well in the past and a lot is about size were not a big state and not a small state so it doesn't benifit us there. Other states class because there democrat and believe things always are unfair. Wrestlign is not unfair and trying to make it unfair makes it less fair for others if you had a perfect system I would say yeah but there is none.
  25. manvswild1
    Well probably triton because I am here and I no what we need to make a great team and i am ready to work for it. My kids are not great wrestlers but there on the right path. Warsaw would be a challange just like triton but I have seen the triton community with basketball and I know wrestling can follow. My wisdom comes from the fact that wrestling in indiana has had matre dei win more state title in that time then anyone. Small schools with good programs can compete u just hav to want it more. Most of these teams at state have a certain style they all wrestle. Its a lot to do with coaching and community. Matre dei wrestle long and there stances are all the same, a lot of teams ride legs, and a lot of teams use wierd cheap tilts. When the whole team has a good style they can be tough to beat.
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