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1 hour ago, lanntp01 said:

Oops, I counted Richards as one of his fighting turtle qualifiers but now going back and looking I see that that was the year before he took over.

 

Sooo....

 

From 09-18 (10 seasons) you had 4* state qualifications at a school with an enrollment of 350.

 

From 19-21 (3 seasons) you had 6 state qualifications (2 resulting in placements) at a school with an enrollment of 1180.

I think that each of these indivduals would have had a simlar oppurtunity to make it to and place if they were at Busco, or East Noble.

3 hours ago, HornetPride said:

 

It has to do with population, its been a while since I saw the actual numbers but it's something like 50% of all Indiana students go to 3A (wrestling team state) schools, so it makes sense they represent 50% of the state tournament field. 

 

Yes, it is more likely that a state qualifier level kid will come from Carmel (2000+ kids) than it is he will come from Angola (~900 kids). But the chances that any randomly selected INDIVIDUAL will be a state level kid is the same regardless where they are from. It is an individual tournament after all, so this is not a good argument. 

If it is not a good argument then why do the numbers in terms of qualifiers mirror the numbers of the general population pretty much every year? Is it just  coicidental?

3 hours ago, Clint Gard said:

Now add 4A Football Schools and see what happens.  If anyone truly believes this statement, "Every year the numbers statically show that there is no advantage to an individual in terms of making semi-state or state.", is true, then it's not possible to have a meaningful conversation.

Id like to think we can have a fair conversation.  The % of qualifiers in each group almost always mirrors the % of the total population each group makes up.  I feel that is what you would expect.

Some people believe that fairness would be shown if 12% (Small school population) of the population made up 33% of the qualifiers.  I personally do not think that makes any sense, but to each their own i guess.

41 minutes ago, Wrestling Scholar said:

From my analysis of your very colorful and pretty charts,  the two states with the most marked decrease are California and Indiana  (both single class states).   The other states with class wrestling seem more stable.

Thanks for the complement, those were the colors excel randomly picked.  Also I wasn't trying to use the chart to make an argument one way or the other.  I was just curious as to what the information would look like.

Total nerd topic lol, but on the way home from state my assistant and I were discussing the gold and the green singlets and had a few questions.

1. Are they sublimated?

2. If so how did they get them so shiny? 

3. If they are not sublimated, what company do they get them from?  

I know this is asking for some insider information here...

Just now, TysonNisley said:

Wow, very impressive that your 106 qualified for Construction Work State

Hahaha yeah he started in 6th grade, the only off season he has ever done is the Frosh/Soph Qualifier and Finals as a freshman, and the Frosh/soph finals as a sophmore.  We are hoping he does some more this summer... He was in the room tonight.  Two time qualifier acctually. 

So I dont really want to get dragged into this argument again. I am against classing the individual tournament.  Every year the numbers statically show that there is no advantage to an individual in terms of making semi-state or state.  When it comes to placers/ champs there will be an advantage to bigger schools, I think there are arguments for the stats on that. With that being said I was interested to see two stats.  1- How other states around us, and with one class systems looked in terms of numbers.

2. How we looked in terms of % of our population that wrestles (I realize that there are surely better ways to quantify how not classing effects our numbers, but I didnt have time to look up the number of HS boys who live in the various states).

So anyhow I used NFHS Data, and a website that estimates the population of the state in 2019.  Here is what I got.  Take of it what you will.

East Noble

106- Wrestling, construction work ****

113- Football, Wrestling, Possibly Track***

120- Football, Wrestling, Track *****

126- Wrestling, Baseball *

132- Wrestling ***

138- Football, Wrestling Baseball **

145- Wrestling ***

152- Wrestling**

160- Football, Wrestling**

170- Tennis, Wrestling ****

182- Football, Wrestling *

195- Football, Wrestling, Baseball*

220 -Football, Wrestling, Baseball*

285- Football, Wrestling, Track*

* Sectionals

** Regionals

***Semi State

****State

*****State Placer

I agree.  I was asked by numerous people about it though, so I am just passing along what I was told.

The email from the IHSAA contained the following information on rule 50-4. 

Additionally, all requests for waivers due to COVID are due Friday, January 23, 2021.  Those waivers must come from your Athletic Director to the IHSAA offices.  The waiver request can be an email listing the reason for the waiver, dates of quarantine, and number of affected events.  The waiver speaks to Rule 50-4 solely. 

Below is the rule

50-4 In order for a student to qualify for participation in the IHSAA tournament series in an Individual Sport (cross country, golf, tennis, swimming & diving, track & fi eld and wrestling) the student must have participated, during the preceding regular season in a minimum of (i) Seventy-fi ve percent (75%) of the Season Contests in which the student’s school participated, and (ii) Twenty-fi ve percent (25%) of the maximum number of authorized Season Contests in that sport. a. This requirement by the Commissioner can be waived provided the student can demonstrate that the reason the student did not participate in the minimum number of Season Contests was because of illness, injury, ineligibility or because of circumstances beyond the control of the student, such as illness, injury, the cancellation of a Contest(s) or the student’s failure to qualify for a spot on the roster. b. A waiver will not be available for students failing to participate in the minimum number of Season Contests because of the Virtual Education School rule (rule 12-6), because of the Academic rule (rule 18), because of the Transfer rule (rule 19), because of the Undue Influence rule (rule 20) or because of volunt

I reached out to Mr. Faulkens, below was his response

Does it (rule 50-4) apply to single sport athletes or just those doing 2 in a season?

-          Yes it applies to all individual sport athletes.

Does an athlete with 6 qualifying weigh-ins need a waiver?

-          Yes.  If they do not meet the 75%/25% requirements

What does the general waiver request need to include?

-          The name of the wrestler, the grade, the events missed and the reason for missing the events.

Is this new for wrestling?  Essentially does it apply to us?

-          No, this rule is not new.  Every season it is needed for kids who are injured, sick, ineligible, or due to weather cancellations, etc.

Has anyone heard this directly from Robert Faulken's mouth?  He was pretty clear on his stance on the rumor mill at the officials/coaches meeting in Fort Wayne.

Obviously there is a lot that is out of the IHSAA's control in this situation... it really seems like the situation depends on the color coding of the area, and the venues themselves as opposed to the IHSAA.

What date does the preregistration need to be in by?

East Noble, Jimtown, Northwood, Northridge, Prairie Heights and Busco are getting together the 22nd at Jimtown.  It will be interesting to see all of the events that come from Mishawaka being cancelled. 

We were told no overnight trips, thus we had to drop from Connersville for the year. Will be interesting to see what takes place there as well.

Curious as we are less than two weeks from the start of the season, are there any schools still open?  If so is anyone aware of what the plans are for those teams?

See attached

2020-2021 Fall Clinic Meeting Minutes.docx

EI Sports/ Cliff Keen/ Brute are offering two really high end prizes for the clinic raffle this year.

The IHSWCA Fall Clinic is a long-standing event on he Indiana HS wrestling calendar.  E.I. Sports and Apparel is proud to announce that for the 20th consecutive year they will be able to step up and help support this great event.  Jeff Schaefer and the team at E.I. Sports in Evansville have worked with two of the longest running manufactures in the wrestling world to provide two great raffle prizes for this years event.

E.I. Sports will be donating a set of Cliff Keen Beast gear bags valued at $1350.00 and a set of Brute team singlets valued at $1150.00.

They will also be sponsoring Lunch for the clinic attendees on Thursday!!

https://www.cliffkeen.com/product/1401/abp18-the-beast-athletic-backpack

https://www.brute.com/wrestling

https://www.eisportsandapparel.com/

Just got word of our first big raffle prize!  EZ Flex mats will be donating a 9X9 home mat to the raffle.  https://www.ezflexmats.com/wrestling/

I probably missed this somewhere, but does anyone know what time the athletes for session 3 are allowed to show up?  I know they wrestle at 1:00, but what is the earliest they can arrive?  Thanks!

Doug Smoker new HC at Eastside 

On 4/23/2020 at 5:47 PM, Galagore said:

Is there a downside to the 15/13 or 16/14 rule?

 

Some of you are making the argument that it wouldn't have impact, and I disagree, but am not looking for that argument here...just curious if anyone sees going this direction as a negative?

I see a few possible negatives.

1. A rule like this would cause the teams that are already dominating to dominate even more.  I wouldn't think that some dominant teams back-up knocking a small school kid who would have otherwise been a regional qualifier out of the tournament would be good for the growth of the sport at the small school.  I've seen a few small schools say it would be good because their backup would get into the tournament, but they would most likely be 2 and out, and your kid who could be a regional qualifier is going to have a much tougher road.

2. I have found that the toughest kid to keep out for the team is the above average wrestler who gets frustrated they don't make it to semi-state or out of sectionals.  That group would be even harder to keep out under this proposal.  The "I suck I didn't get out of sectional" kid becomes the "I suck I get beat by Carroll's JV Kid".

With that said I am not saying this proposal is the worst thing I have ever seen, but I do think it would have a much larger effect on the dominant teams than your smaller schools.  

Just received an email that Angola is now open.

More curious than anything else... What high schools are still in session?

I have been wondering the same... there is an elementary in Avon that has shut down for 2 weeks... that is a big time wrestling community obviously.

https://fox59.com/news/education/hickory-elementary-school-in-avon-closed-2-weeks-after-student-tests-positive-for-covid-19-coronavirus-all-schools-closed-monday/

30 minutes ago, Mattyb said:

IHPO 3rd. I was just talking about this this weekend with one of our state runner up boys. On the national scale, I would call this a 2nd tier event. Right behind events like Super 32, Flo, NHSCA nationals, and Fargo. I consider IHPO to be equal to events like the Fall Grappler Classic or the Ohio Tournament of Champions. 
 

Indy Nationals and Frosh/Soph state should be on that list too. 

How would you rank them?  I have never been to Indy Nationals, but would agree that Frosh/Soph state should pry bump the Spartan Classic lol.

3 minutes ago, Y2CJ41 said:

I think I counted 16 DI qualifiers that wrestled at IHPO.

Yeah that was what made the list kind of fun.  I had/think the IHPO could be as high as 3 or 4 on this list.  I kind of thought about what I would like my kids to win the most... I think that winning an ISWA state title is a bigger deal than winning the IHPO, even though the IHPO may have better talent if that makes sense.