DLane Posted December 17, 2010 Share Posted December 17, 2010 About 2 weeks out, any new UPDATES? Who is doing All-Star or Community? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvq71 Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 I thought the All-Star state was out the window......?? I'm pretty sure I seen on the ISWA website that the "All Star" state was cancelled. I may be wrong though....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutt Posted December 18, 2010 Share Posted December 18, 2010 Avon Center Grove Northwood Franklin Columbus East Yorktown Verbal Commitments from: Perry Meridian Evansville Memorial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infolady Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 I heard that Mater Dei is also on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattyb Posted December 20, 2010 Share Posted December 20, 2010 Just to be clear. A team can have a wrestler who lives in any community or county, just as long as he or she attends the club of which he or she is wrestling for (on a regular basis)? I am still confused on the new and last minute guidelines. Any clarification will be appriciated. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infolady Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 As I understand it, the rule was changed in order to allow wrestlers who attend a club in a in a nearby school district or community to be a part of the team, because there is none offered in their area, Also, there are parochial schools such as Mater Dei, Roncolli, etc. that should not be excluded. However, a wrestler must be an active member of the club and practice exclusively with that club on a regular (weekly or bi-weekly) basis. Also, I think it does matter where they live. If a wrestler shows up on a team roster but lives a great distance from where the club practices, his/her membership should be called into question. The rule was modified in order to afford as many clubs as possible the opportunity to participate, not to give any club license to load a team by recruiting wrestlers from outside their community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLane Posted December 21, 2010 Author Share Posted December 21, 2010 what is the rule on this? club "A" has kids come to them for practice cause its a better wrestling program. but the kids live 20 min away or longer and do not attend thier community club that has a program cause its not as good as club "A". so can those kids wrestle for club "A" or do they need to wrestle for thier community team where they attend school at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattyb Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 As I understand it, the rule was changed in order to allow wrestlers who attend a club in a in a nearby school district or community to be a part of the team, because there is none offered in their area, Also, there are parochial schools such as Mater Dei, Roncolli, etc. that should not be excluded. However, a wrestler must be an active member of the club and practice exclusively with that club on a regular (weekly or bi-weekly) basis. Also, I think it does matter where they live. If a wrestler shows up on a team roster but lives a great distance from where the club practices, his/her membership should be called into question. The rule was modified in order to afford as many clubs as possible the opportunity to participate, not to give any club license to load a team by recruiting wrestlers from outside their community. Please clarify. Under this rule any one who attends CIA, The Region Academy, Contenders, Red Cobra, State Street, or any other Elite club to make themselves better on the days on which they are not attending their community based clubs, will not be allowed to particiapate. The vast majority of our ISWA elite wrestlers attend these elite clubs as well as their community clubs. We can not disallow these boys who live, come to the community based clubs, and seek further instuction. I do not know about the rest of the clubs, but I encourage my boys to attend other rooms to better themselves. However, this does not make them less of a member of our club. All members of our club and duel meet team live within a few miles of our school and attend on a regular basis. All members pay and are considered equal. Duels meet spots are given to the best wrestlers as determined by wrestle offs. There are very few elite ISWA members who "practice exclusively" at one club. Is this not why we provide RTC's? To encourage additional training and allow the athletes to push each other in new or different environments. This requirement will make it more difficult to field a team not help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brey Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 I guess they way I understood it was that you had to be a card carrying member of that club. What club you purchased your USA card from. I thought that is why they put the club affiation on the front of the USA card. Bryan Bailey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLane Posted December 21, 2010 Author Share Posted December 21, 2010 in the rules it states you have to have a report card. is the report card to verfiy grade or your community school? for exmaple...if your school is moorseville but you wrestle youth plainfield program. your community team would be mooresville not plainfield in a team state tournament. and if i wanted my kid to be on plainfield team all i would have to do is buy a usa card. that doesnt make a community kid. so all people have to do is buy another usa card with that club on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DLane Posted December 21, 2010 Author Share Posted December 21, 2010 another exmaple.. my boys attend contenders 3 days a week and avon 2 days a week. we have our usa cards with "contenders" on them. both my boys live in avon both attend avon schools and live 1 mile from avon high school where the club practices. since my boys attend contenders and have a usa card with contenders on it they can not attend team dual state? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattyb Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 I guess they way I understood it was that you had to be a card carrying member of that club. What club you purchased your USA card from. I thought that is why they put the club affiation on the front of the USA card. Bryan Bailey I can see this point, but as we all know the USA Card expires in September. Most clubs do not start until November or December. So with that said, are we not to wrestle until our club starts (and we issue cards)? Many kids just pick up their cards wherever it is they are getting in their off season workouts. Again, in our club that does not make them less of a member. It just means that they pay $30 less (due to the fact that they have a card already). The rules which were in place last week were very clear. I know that the ISWA means well, but this last minute change in the rules is not clear. Lets just go with what we have been taking up to this point and be done with it. Maybe next year we can get together and bang something out. We all all friends and can make this work. Maybe next year we adopt something similar to Disney Duels where as we take a community team and allow a certain number of kids from outside to complete a line up. I would say 3 or 4. InfoLady can we get an offical ruling from the ISWA so we can get this together a.s.a.p. If not I am sure that we all can make a gentlemens agreement and move forward. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hutt Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 From ISWA Web site The goal of ISWA Elementary Dual Team State Championship is to promote both competition and team spirit for our young wrestlers. To enter a team in this competition: 1. A club must be an ISWA member club in good standing. 2. All wrestlers on a team must be from the same ISWA member club. Club membership is limited to wrestlers who actively participate in your club practices and are not a member of another club. Recruiting wrestlers from other member clubs will not be allowed. 3. No All-Star Teams: An All-Star team is defined as one who charges for coaching and training on an ongoing basis. This update replaces the previous rule which reads as follows: All wrestlers appearing on your team roster must attend a school within the same school district as the member club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattyb Posted December 21, 2010 Share Posted December 21, 2010 From ISWA Web site The goal of ISWA Elementary Dual Team State Championship is to promote both competition and team spirit for our young wrestlers. To enter a team in this competition: 1. A club must be an ISWA member club in good standing. 2. All wrestlers on a team must be from the same ISWA member club. Club membership is limited to wrestlers who actively participate in your club practices and are not a member of another club. Recruiting wrestlers from other member clubs will not be allowed. 3. No All-Star Teams: An All-Star team is defined as one who charges for coaching and training on an ongoing basis. This update replaces the previous rule which reads as follows: All wrestlers appearing on your team roster must attend a school within the same school district as the member club. This info has been noted. But again please refer to my above post. Which take issue with this info. Again, If you wrestle with an elite club to make yourself better, then you are less of a member of your community club? We can not field a team, we all go somewhere else on days off. I am heading to CIA with my son now. Does this mean that he can not wrestle for our club? I can name a kid or kids from just about every club that has entered, that attends other clubs or practices. We all are effected by this ruling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brey Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 I really think this refers to clubs like CIA where they draw from everywhere. I believe a team entered by such an organization would be considered a "allstar" team. I know all of the coaches would not want to penalize anyone for bettering themselves by attending a "pay as you go" clubs. I believe this year will be a good trail run to see how things go. We need to hash it out and move forward because I think this is a good oppurtunity for the young kids to experience at a young age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infolady Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 Brey is correct in his assumption. I was attempting to clarify the rules but in doing so, apparently I have caused further confusion. The ISWA is aware that many wrestlers who belong to a community club seek additional training from CIA, Red Cobra, Contenders, State Street, etc. This in no way excludes them from competing for their community club. The rules for this event are somewhat difficult to define and since this the ISWA's first attempt, it is a work in progress. However, be assured that all community clubs are allowed to enter. They just can not recruit wrestlers from a neighboring club in order to beef-up their team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattyb Posted December 22, 2010 Share Posted December 22, 2010 Thank you for your clarification infolady and your imput Bryan. This explaination should clear up all concerns on this thread and we all should be on the same page moving forward. It sounds as though that the boys should get some quality matches and and mat time. Our club looks forward to this event. Thank you all for helping the kids and growing the sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infolady Posted December 23, 2010 Share Posted December 23, 2010 Teams Entered: 9 Total Avon Center Grove Northwood Franklin Columbus East Yorktown Owen County Cyclones Perry Meridian Bloomington South Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorktownPatriot Posted December 31, 2010 Share Posted December 31, 2010 I have noticed on this site and the ISWA site that nine teams are entered in this event and the ISWA publication states the brackets will be posted by Thursday 12/30. However I am unable to see them anywhere. Has the bracketing been completed? Has the format changed to a pool format? Updates anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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