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This fight..... I mean.... match happens every day.
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Brownsburg
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Columbus East
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Man... TripleB beat me to it... Legendary poster right there... Well known from the streets of Broad Ripple all the way to Windsor, Canada.
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Cade tried to give it a go today, but just didn’t have much to give. We decided it was better for him to rest up and hopefully be able to compete at HHC.
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Cade Rooks is getting over an illness. Believe me, he would have loved nothing more than being able to compete against Brownsburg. Good dual tonight. Thanks to Brownsburg for being willing to switch the date on late notice and coming down to compete. Fantastic team.
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There is definitely a negative correlation between a kid with a tougher schedule and the number of forfeits he receives. It’s certainly not an r value of -1, probably more like a -0.6. That certainly doesn’t mean the kid who wrestles the toughest schedule in the state doesn’t see a lot of forfeits. I would bet a great deal that Mason Parris gets a ton of forfeits, where as probably any other Lawrenceburg kid with the same schedule has less forfeits. It also doesn’t mean that a kid with a very weak schedule catches a ton of forfeits either. But I think on average, a kid with a tougher schedule receives less forfeits than a kid who wrestles a stronger schedule. No one can look at those numbers above and say who wrestles a tougher schedule. Give me the team names and I probably could. I could tell you the teams in our sectional and how their schedule stacks up with the other teams because I am familiar with them. The debate is, when the only remaining determination of a seed is winning percentage, is it better to only look at the actual matches wrestled, or include the forfeits he has taken. I say, only the matches wrestled.
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First....Ask the coach the reason for the forfeit to your kid. Then...if he is just ducking your kid...Call the coach out on here by name and make it public to those who read this site
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I agree with this. But to me, this is just a general statement that doesn't really apply to the issue of using forfeits to determine seeds. I'm not scheduling a team that has a lot of forfeits because I want my kids to get matches. Do you think a coach will decide... hey, I'm not scheduling team xyz anymore because we can't use their forfeits in the seeding meeting? Maybe someone thinks this way, but it seems crazy to me.
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I have never once, nor have any of my kids, ever, ever, equated the purpose of the regular season to garner a record to get seeds at sectionals.
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It's certainly not perfect, and I'm not arguing it fixes all seeding issues, but I believe it is better than before.
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Joe, in this scenario, the other kid would get the seed with the forfeits added into his win percentage. He gets the seed either way.
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Gotcha... I guess my reply is it’s still the same as before. If a coach was going to try and cheat by giving false info on matches won, he was probably cheating before giving false info on the kids record.
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Mike- You're not punishing that kid at all. He still gets the win, still gets his hand raised, still gets the team points, etc.
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No different than before. If none of the wrestlers have met any criteria (head to head, common opponents, semi-state quarterfinalist) then the next criteria is winning % of actual matches wrestled. Previously a record could be inflated by taking forfeits. Now, that inflated record due to forfeits just won't get that kid a seed over a more deserving kid who has actually beat kids.
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If one of the kids are going to be drawn in, wouldn't you rather have the kid who didn't win a higher number of matches wrestled be the kid that is drawn in. Why should the better kid who has beat more wrestlers be penalized because his opponent didn't wrestle anyone.
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This logic is crazy..... So you are saying, you will forfeit any matches in which you don't have a chance to win if the team score is no longer in doubt? This rule does not punish all kids in the 3-6th seed range. How could a rule about seeding wrestlers possibly punish all the wrestlers? The only kid that is negatively effected by this is the kid that previously was getting unwarrented seeds based on an inflated record due to forfeits. It's not like the rule counts forfeits in winning percentage for one wrestler but doesn't count them for another wrestler.
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The example I gave isn’t fictional, at least the part about the 16 forfeits. If anyone gets “penalized” at a seed meeting it’s the kid who wrestles the toughest schedule. It’s not like the kid with all the forfeits has to sit the tournament out, he just won’t be seeded based off of his forfeits alone. If one criteria to separate kids is winning percentage, it seems logical that strength of schedule should play a part. While it is diffficult to measure strength of schedule, it is easy to see and count forfeits.
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I believe it's an effort to account for strength of schedule. Just an example of why this is a good idea.... one kid is 22-9, another 8-4. No head to head, no common opponents. 22-9 is a better win %, but the 22-9 kid has received 16 forfeits. So you really are looking at a kid who is 6-9 in matches wrestled, compared to the one that is 8-4.
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12/16/2017
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Columbus East
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