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I think most (self included) agree that they love our single class system. However, what I love and what is best for our sport are two separate entities in my mind. A two class system would help preserve the sport, and that is what I love about it. -
You'll have to do a little leg work to get the exact info you want, but here is a map of district boundary lines (click this sentence).
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Do they have a message board? Would love to get them to join the pro-class team. Similar arguments have been made about track and cross-country. All for having them on board as well.
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@bomber_bob Yes, I agree that numbers are not decreasing in NJ, however someone else (not me) stated that numbers were holding steady. That is not consistent with what is happening nationally, where the sport is growing. Again, I do not know if classing would simply increase the numbers. What is apparent, however is that most of the rest of the country runs a classed individual tournament, and wrestling is growing in the rest of the country. If there are other differences between Indiana and the rest of the country, then I am absolutely open to those changes. As for both the Rensselaer Central and Bremen programs, it seems that programs that are having that much success with their off season efforts should be dominating the state tournament. A classed tournament would afford your programs the recognition they have earned. Seeing programs like yours have massive success is the the ultimate advertisement for other small schools to start doing the things you are doing to grow their programs
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What is "Not according to the provided numbers from New Jersey"? My question was about academies. If you are referring back to the participation numbers, it was stated that New Jersey numbers were holding steady, not increasing like the rest of the country. I assume that the loss of numbers is from smaller schools due to what I observe at invitationals over the course of our season. Not scientific, I grant you, which is why I try not to cite this when providing evidence. If academies are to blame, why are numbers falling in Indiana, staying the same in New Jersey, but rising in the rest of the country?
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@Mattyb Aren't there academies in other states? If academies are to blame, why are numbers rising nationally and falling in Indiana? What are the other states doing differently than Indiana? People like Joe and I see that they are classing their individual tournament, so that seems like a logical place to stop the losses.
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Nationally, numbers are not fluctuating nor consistent, they are increasing. Why are the other schools in the country increasing in wrestling participation while two states with single-class tournaments are not?
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What are the 2017-2018, 2016-2017, etc numbers for NJ?
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It is also very important to contrast that with what is happening nationally. In 2003/2004 national wrestling participation was 238,700 and in 2018/2019 it was 268,565, which is a 12.5% increase. Even if you consider only boys (since only boys were counted in 2003/2004 survey) it is still an increase to 247,441. Why is there an increase nationally while we Hoosiers have lost one quarter of our participation?
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I am not so much chagrined as concerned. Indiana wrestling participation per NFHS: 2015-2016: 7156 2016-2017: 6810 2017-2018: 6675 2018-2019: 6622 US wrestling participation per NHFS: 2015-2016: 264,149 2016-2017: 259,391 2017-2018: 262,126 2018-2019: 268,565 Last three years, HS wrestling in the US is getting more popular, while HS wrestling in Indiana is getting less popular. Even the year there was a drop (15/16 to 16/17) both nationally and in IN, national numbers decreased by about 1.8%, while Indiana number decreased 4.8%, which is a pretty stark difference. Again, I don't know if class wrestling is the magic bullet, but it is the one big thing that we don't do that nearly the entire rest of the country does do.
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@UncleJimmy@Mattyb Wrestling is down in Indiana, but it is up nationally. So, there is clearly a problem here in our own state that is not occurring everywhere. The reason Joe and I (and others) feel class is a very logical answer is...what do almost all of the other states have that we don't? A classed individual tournament. If classing the individual tournament were going to hurt, wouldn't participation be down across the board? No, it may not be the magic bullet, but is the most glaring difference between our state (where participation is declining) and most of the rest of the states (where participation is increasing). This sport is dying from the bottom up, not the top down.
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This is unfortunate, though not surprising. It does not dissuade me one iota from continuing to try to draw as many as possible to logical benefits of classing the individual tournament.
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Yes, my post was satirical in nature. I am aware of the irony:}
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You guys are killing me...Keep thinking there are new bracket changes because of the new posts...
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I am not questioning your logic. However, the law of averages is still not a thing, regardless of how you apply it. You are referring to the Law of Large Numbers. Just being a math teacher here, not taking sides in this particular debate. My stance on class: Two classes for the individual tournament My stance on wrestle-backs: Yes, we should have them My stance on the law of averages: It is a gambler's fallacy (this is actually fact, not simply my stance)
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I hate to be a nit-picker, but not enough to keep my mouth shut...What you all are calling the "law of averages" is in reality the "Law of Large Numbers." This law basically states that, given a large enough number of trials, observed outcomes will eventually arrive close enough to expected outcomes that any difference is negligible. The law of averages is not a real mathematical principal.
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Really Good Wrestlers from Smaller Schools
Galagore replied to Wadewilson's topic in Past Discussions
He was a lot of fun to watch. -
Jeremiah Harvey, 2011 heavyweight state champ - Did not qualify for semi-state as a Junior (pinned Saturday of regional) - Finished third at sectional his senior year (went on to win regional, sem-istate, state in following weeks) - At semi-state, avenged an 0-4 (!!) record against one opponent from throughout the season - Won 3 OT matches (one of which was UTB) on Saturday to win his title If catching lightning in a bottle is real, then Jeremiah's state title run was certainly an example.
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Another class wrestling question - enter at your own risk
Galagore replied to Galagore's topic in Past Discussions
We are talking with small schools in our area all the time. Not only about what they are doing but about how we can work together...rising tide lifts all boats kind of thing. Our school is purchasing two new mats, and we plan to put them to use at as many levels as possible as quickly as we can. We extended our middle school season and (until this weird COVID season) have been steadily increasing our youth numbers over the past few years. Understand, I am not simply concerned about my school, my kids, my program. When we go to invitationals, it is clear that wrestling is down. Way down in smaller schools, and this is my concern. Wrestling participation has grown nationally the last several years, yet in Indiana it is falling. And it is falling most at small schools. This sport is not one that I have always loved the way I do now. As I grew and matured, I came to fully understand and appreciate what this sport has to offer - things that no other sport reasonably accessible to a high school student can offer. Wrestling in Indiana is not going to die from the top down. It is going to die from the bottom up. That scares the heck out of me, and I believe class wrestling is a way to at minimum buy us some time, if not turn things around. -
Another class wrestling question - enter at your own risk
Galagore replied to Galagore's topic in Past Discussions
Just want to say thank you for looking at another perspective. I know you are a one-class supporter, and this type of logic definitely sounds a lot more introspective than most people on either side have been in my years debating this topic. -
Another class wrestling question - enter at your own risk
Galagore replied to Galagore's topic in Past Discussions
Thank you, coach I very much appreciate the insight. And believe me when I say my soul hurt when I found out you all had to sit out the state series. You guys looked poised for a nice run from what we could tell at our dual. So do you feel that your situations could be reasonable duplicated, regardless of school size? Or do you feel there is/was something specific about the small schools you have been involved with that has led to that possibility? -
Has anyone been part of a program at a big school in a big town and a program at a small school in a small town and still think that single class is the best system? That's the next logic I would like to unpack...
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I swear on all 26,995 of my bananas that I did not create a new account just to post this thread. However, my first thought was literally, "Oh lord, @UncleJimmy is going to think I made a fake account..."
