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Class 4A: 32 Teams - 8 Qualifiers

Class 3A, 2A & 1A: 90 Teams each - 12 Qualifiers

17 minutes ago, Y2CJ41 said:

We need to first eliminate teams that enter 6 or less wrestlers at sectional. 

Wasn't that already done in the above numbers?

48 minutes ago, maligned said:

JC is 99th in enrollment among qualified wrestling schools--not 100th. They're 100th in enrollment among all IHSAA schools. Unfortunately, they would be the last or next-to-last school in 3A in every feasible scenario for handling the IPS situation. 

I understand that however, adding Tech back into the mix puts Jay at #100 of qualified wrestling schools. With the closures of the a fore mentioned schools and the consolidation of two would then make the total qualified wrestling schools to 302, which should then make the classes at 100/101/101. Now with EMD choosing to move to 3A they would become #100 moving Jay to #101.

Am I thinking wrong?

If we moved to four classes, which it at the very least should be discussed, its a moot point.

I agree with the guy from Jay County. If you add the three closures to Tech or even half, it brings them to over 3000 students. Close Northwest, Broad Ripple, Arlington, Turkey Run & Rockville, then add Parke Heritage you end up with 302 schools. Cannot make assumptions on Shortridge or Attucks, but past precedence (Muncie) should be followed with Tech. This should divide you to 100 / 101 / 101 , which moves Jay to the 100 slot. However, EMD chooses to move up to 3A which then moves them to 100 and Jay to 101 and the move to 2A.

In my opinion due to the ridiculous difference in students from 1 to 100. I would like to see the IHSWCA consider adding another class, although the gap is still large, it makes sense.

Class 4A: 32 Teams - 8 Qualifiers

Class 3A, 2A & 1A: 90 Teams each - 12 Qualifiers

Is it along the same lines what IHSAA does with football? Yes. But the IHSWCA follows the IHSAA in regards to school reconfiguration every two years when the information is available to do so annually. Which even makes more sense as it seems we have closures and consolidations annually.

I think for sure you have to add the numbers to Tech, cant imagine if they add 1700 students they will not have enough wrestlers. Heck, even if only half go to Tech that brings them close to 3000.

7 hours ago, maligned said:

I even wonder sometimes if drawing them into "stars knocking off stars too early" isn't beating a dead horse. They have that in all of their other sports tournaments--which is what they insist on comparing us to.

I think instead there's an argument to be built that we're NOT being treated like other sports. All other sports have their tournaments conducted in the way states around the country conduct them and in the way their sport's culture dictates--except ours. We're the only ones forced to fit into a box that is completely disassociated from the rest of the season structure and the sport nationally.  

AND I think we can give examples of other individual sports that have similarities to ours that they don't realize; namely, track, swimming, and gymnastics. In those sports, at each tournament round, we have the best people all together in one space and we find the genuine best and advance them. That's how wrestling works. We never do a tennis-style single elimination tournament, from the youth ranks up through college. Instead, we get everyone in one space and spend a day figuring out the pecking order. It would be silly to get a bunch of swimmers together, randomly draw them into 4 heats, and say each heat winner gets to advance. We're all together at the same pool--let's go ahead and have some prelims and finals and pick the genuine best 4. Wrestling is the same, but they need to be invited to see it outside the "upsets happen" narrative or even the "my star lost too early in the tournament" argument....in my very humble opinion.

The swimming analogy is the best I have ever heard.

3 minutes ago, decbell1 said:

I am just thinking out loud here again, and maybe we need to consult someone within IPS, but it seems logical to bring Arsenal Tech into the fold, assuming that kids from the three schools closing are going to filter into that program, considering Attucks didn't have a team (I think) and neither did Washington. 

What about Northwest? I know at one time they did have a team...a decent program back in the day..but of course I'm old.

If the situation from Arlington, Broad Ripple, Northwest, Turkey Run & Rockville changes team from class to class, the bottom teams of a class should move down. Makes no sense to move the top of 2A up to increase the already ridiculous disparity of 3,944 students from Carmel to Columbia City even larger. I don't know how to fix it, but damn that is a lot of difference in Class 3A from top to bottom. While 2A sits at 507 from top to bottom and 1A at a 384 student difference.

I have been told the Bow and Arrow is illegal to use to turn your opponent , but is legal to secure a pin.  Please advise.

On 1/27/2018 at 8:23 PM, X_R A T E D said:

I wasn’t impressed with the refs.....heard many complaints throughout the day

I thought the referees did a fine job until the finals and conso finals.

I made the trip to Jay County, what an electric atmosphere that was. I was most impressed with Lykins of JC, although he was a number one seed he looked impressive.

On 1/27/2018 at 8:37 PM, 84headhunter said:

Who knows AC fans boo any action called against their wrestler 

 

Just kidding, it's illegal

Seen the same thing by a sixth grader at the Delta Folkstyle Open today. Was told it is illegal to turn with a bow and arrow, but was legal to secure the fall. Looked like sour grapes to me yesterday, I actually thought AC should have been deducted a team point as their coach was half way out on the mat.

Mine would be Mason Winner at #10, probably goes in as either a 1 or 2 from FW.

Who are the dark horses (ranked outside of top 8) that could wrestle under the lights?

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3 minutes ago, MOWrestler said:

Subsequently, this does not make for a very exciting discussion

I agree, I think the exciting thing about this sectional is actually in the wrestle backs. In regards to the team race those matches will be big, as well as bonus points in those matches. Its not like the Delta sectional where one team is going to have at least half the champions and run away with the team title.

7 minutes ago, Wrestling_Wrestler16 said:

Did you just pick every one seed except Hvw?

I don't think Frasher at 182 is a one seed, like you said yourself. You don't see many upsets as far as champs go. I do think most 1's will win.

6 minutes ago, Brian said:

Wow...I didn't realize Trent was leaving Yorktown.  He has been at Yorktown since before my Freshman year ('92).

Is he retiring from coaching, or moving on to "greener" pastures?

Retiring

106 - Miller (SA)

113 - Zadylak (NW)

120 - Moser (AC)

126 - Lawson (Bel)

132 - Perry (SW)

138 - Fiechter (SW)

145 - Mounsey (BLF)

152 - Macklin (AC)

160 - Winner (JC)

170 - Friedt (Bel)

182 - Frasher (JC)

195 - Lykins (JC)

220 Hare (JC)

285 - Cuellar (SA)

Team: JC , AC, Bellmont

2 minutes ago, DirtyDan said:

Adams central has a shot against Belmont this year they look tough

Should be good, AC won the ACAC tournament over Jay in a close race. Lost to Jay 43-25 and Bellmont 43-33 in duals. This should be a close team race, may drive over there to watch this one.

Weight Class Predictions / Team Race Prediction???

Is this the year Jay or Adams Central knock off Bellmont?

15 minutes ago, gogoplata89 said:

Last year Yorktown was last at the middle school Hoosier Heritage Conference tournament...

Also, finished 4th, behind South Adams, Monroe Central and East Jay at the EJ Invitational last year.

6 minutes ago, bwoodjc89 said:

I would guess similar to basketball sectionals if it were 3 classes.

Basketball classes are 4

Is this Yorktown's last hurrah??? Does it become more competitive after this year?

It would seem numbers are down with the forfeit of three weight classes, graduating a ton of talent, feeder programs at middle school and elementary levels seem to not be as competitive as in years past.

Coach McCormick and Coach O'Brien both leaving after this year.

Thoughts?

True, but it is done in the NCC...Lafayette to Richmond. Although I am not sure how they handle week day events.