your right tkdwn2 there was a lot of licensed refs but they were on the pee-wee mats when they should of been on the older kids mats where its more competitive. i know refs and volunteer refs are going to miss stuff but i had a number of kids lose because of not getting back points awarded to them when they held kids for 20 or more seconds on there back past a 45 degrees. i had to explain to these kids why they lost when they did everything right. then you question a licensed ref and they didnt want to listen. it was a great ran tourney, good mat time but i had a few upset wrestlers.