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Barroquillo at 133 and Martin at 174 from Indiana Tech lose in the quarters. Still obviously well-alive for all-american spots. Charlie Pingleton (Lindsey Wilson) throttles his kid at 157 and is in the semi's.

Obviously, it will mean more than the coaches' trophy did. The scores will be front and center, people's attention will be brought to it, the respected IHSAA name will be attached to it (although I'm not convinced it will be thought of as highly as 17 years ago). I don't know about anyone else, but my only point is that, in time, I think the Duals Championship will carry a lot of weight because the perception will be there that it's determining the truly best teams.

I agree that it's all about perception. It's logical that it will take some time for that perception to evolve. It may seem ridiculous to say it, but Fargo, NCAA, and Olympic winners all have their trophies or medals very prominently displayed in school or individual trophy cases--and none of them are sponsored by the IHSAA. I'm not trying to be glib, I'm only making the point that a governing body is just a governing body. The people decide how much glory the event is worth.

The scoring system for the IHSWCA event makes it almost entirely based on performance. If your team (especially your underclassmen) performs in the individual state series, you go to the duals tourney. If we had used this system last year, we would have had 7 of this year's top 8 in 3A and 2A and 6 of the top 8 in 1A in the duals tournament this year. The top 5 in all 3 classes would have been there. This is even better than the IHSAA system usually did with its geographically strict system. Our system of scoring your projected strength works well. I understand it would be very exciting if we had a way to have an 'all-in' duals tournament, but how is having 24 invited into the duals tournament versus having 32 invited THAT different? And we get the class thing everyone wants? I really think it's worth giving the IHSWCA event a chance. Anything in life has meaning if we give it meaning. The proverbial tree falling in the forest makes a very loud noise if everyone is there to hear it. The associated press used to determine the national champion in football based on press voting. Now everyone considers the champion to be the BCS champion despite the fact that the AP still crowns a champion that might be different. Does anyone care about the press vote now? They're both just entities. If we're getting the best teams together to wrestle, based on their wrestlers' performance in real matches...why does it have to be meaningless because the acronym on the organizing body is different? I don't get this idea.

Congratulations to Coach Tonte and the crew. With 6 state qualifiers coming back, they don't show many signs of slowing down.

It's a point system that projects your strength NEXT year, not this year. Let's look at what you've got coming back: Sectional non-placers: Northfield 2, N. Miami 2 Sectional 5th/6th: Northfield 3, N. Miami 3 Regional non-placers: Northfield 3, N. Miami 3 Semi-state first round: Northfield 0, N. Miami 4 Semi-state second round: Northfield 1, N. Miami 0 State finalists: Northfeild 0, N. Miami 1 Your raw full-team score was virtually identical to North Miami and easily clear of Southwood--but you have only 9 kids coming back while North Miami has 13 (including 4 semi-state qualifiers and a state finalist) and Southwood has 12 coming back. This means they're both projected to be stronger than you next year.

The selection committee has all its procedures in place, but they're finalizing where they'll meet for the vote so that the invites can get out by the 15th.

To be clear: this was only for underclassmen (sophomores and juniors) who advanced to at least semi-state LAST year and didn't wrestle at all in the state series this year. The value of one "replacement" wrestler for a lost senior on the team is subtracted and last year's level of advancement for the injured wrestler is added. Only 6 teams submitted valid requests for this situation and were awarded points according to the procedures we published before the tournament.

Their injured underclassman starter who didn't wrestle sectional but who qualified for semi-state last year had his points substituted for the value of a projected "replacement" starter for next year, as the points procedures prescribed. We didn't add in the injury points until now.

The event is the Saturday before Christmas.

I'm not in charge of the seeding, but I know the process has not been finalized. It is worded very generally in the original write-up from the big coaches' meeting when the plan was hashed out for the event (but yes, it suggests being done according to up-to-date performance, not based on these scores).

Really sorry, guys. Got it posted now.

Below is a full list of the official qualifying scores for the 2012-13 IHSWCA Duals State Championships for all Indiana high schools based on their individuals? performances in the individual state series. Remember that these scores are dependent on a) your underclassmen?s performance and your full team?s projected ability to replace your seniors. These scores do NOT tell us necessarily who was best this year, but gave teams a chance to prove who will be the best DUALS TEAMS next year. Keep in mind the following selection procedures: 1. There are 4 automatic semi-state champion qualifiers for each class, plus 2 automatic Wildcard positions for each class. 2. The 3rd Wildcard will be voted on after this season is finished. 3. The 4th Wildcard will then be voted on next fall after a couple weeks of the season have completed from among the first available team and any other teams within 30 points (3A and 2A) or 35 points (1A). 4. Scores will be adjusted to reflect transfers, move-ins, and comeback situations before the final list of contenders for the 4th Wildcard vote is determined. Here is a list of the automatic qualifiers for the event and the contending teams for the vote for the 3rd Wildcard position: Class 3A Merrillville Champ: Merrillville (4th overall) Ft. Wayne Champ: Elkhart Memorial (20th) New Castle Champ: Perry Meridian (1st) Evansville Champ: Evansville Mater Dei (3rd) 1st Wildcard: Cathedral (2nd) 2nd Wildcard: Bloomington South (5th) 3rd Wildcard: Crown Point (6th) (automatic 3rd WC, because no other teams within 30 points of them) Class 2A Merrillville Champ: Culver Academies (8th overall) Ft. Wayne Champ: Jimtown (2nd) New Castle Champ: Southmont (13th) Evansville Champ: Evansville Memorial (1st) 1st Wildcard: Yorktown (3rd) 2nd Wildcard: Danville (4th) 3rd Wildcard contenders: Heritage Hills, Leo, Muncie South (5th to 7th, respectively) Class 1A Merrillville Champ: Lewis Cass (5th overall) Ft. Wayne Champ: Adams Central (1st) New Castle Champ: Milan (6th) Evansville Champ: South Putnam (8th) 1st Wildcard: South Adams (2nd) 2nd Wildcard: Churubusco (3rd) 3rd Wildcard contenders: North Miami, Bremen, Fremont, Prairie Heights, Shenandoah, Union County (4th, 7th, 9th-12th, respectively) Here is the list of all teams in the state and their final scores (* represents a score adjusted due to pre-sectional injury of an underclass wrestler who reached at least semi-state in 2010-11): Class 3A Teams Total Perry Meridian High School 413.72 Indy Cathedral High School 352.92 Ev. Mater Dei 322.65 Merrillville 318.66 Bloomington South 316.05 Crown Point 313.59 Penn 281.53* Franklin 276.79 Lake Central 272.11 Center Grove 254.86 Avon 240.79 Portage 240.47 Hamilton Southeastern High School 240.22 Greenfield-Central High School 237.56 New Palestine High School 234.60* S.B. Clay 228.98 Floyd Central 220.00 Fishers High School 218.91 Ev. Reitz 218.61 Elkhart Memorial 217.22 Chesterton 206.34 Lowell 205.14 FW Snider 204.79 Huntington North 199.57 Mishawaka 198.20 East Noble 195.37 Kokomo 194.23 Noblesville High School 193.59 Lawrence Central High School 187.29 Jennings County 183.56 Castle 183.19 Valparaiso 182.73* Carroll (FW) 180.84 S.B. Riley 177.57 Hobart 176.98 Connersville High School 174.75 Ben Davis High School 173.36 Lawrence North High School 170.36 East Central High School 169.56 Harrison (W.Laff) 168.64 Jeffersonville 168.35 Westfield High School 167.83 Munster 163.74 Franklin Central High School 160.82 New Albany 160.38 Mooresville 157.70 DeKalb 157.54 Jay County 156.10 Roncalli High School 155.30 LaPorte 154.33 Terre Haute South 153.95 New Haven 153.60 Brownsburg 147.95 Zionsville High School 146.77 Logansport 146.26 Warren Central High School 145.10 Hammond Morton 143.49 Columbus East 141.84 Martinsville 141.36 Warsaw 138.50* Ev. Central 136.30 Columbus North 129.21 McCutcheon 126.73 Plymouth 123.67 Plainfield 121.00 Goshen 119.48 Indy Arsenal Tech High School 117.00 Pendleton Heights High School 115.77 Kankankee Valley 115.16 Highland 114.00 Northview 113.75 S.B. Washington 112.82 Carmel High School 112.30 Terre Haute North 111.15 Homestead 110.63 Northridge 110.62 Ev. North 105.79 FW Wayne 104.76 New Castle High School 104.46 Seymour 104.06 Richmond High School 103.46 Laffayette Jeff 100.16 FW North Side 95.36 Greenwood 94.41 Marion 93.31 FW Northrop 92.36 Ev. Harrison 90.85 Anderson High School 90.84 Columbia City 90.37 Elkhart Central 89.95 Bedford North Lawrence 84.67 North Central (Indy) High School 83.44 Michigan City 82.37 Concord 82.16 S.B. Adams 78.56 Shelbyville High School 75.99 FW South Side 74.05 Gary West Side 71.00 East Chicago Central 66.74 Decatur Central 55.81 Pike High School 52.68 Bloomington North 48.62 Southport High School 47.57 Whiteland 31.64 Mount Vernon (Fortville) High School 27.80 Class 2A Teams Total Ev. Memorial 298.86 Jimtown 288.47 Yorktown 269.98 Danville 268.54 Heritage Hills 253.03 Leo 246.36 Muncie Southside 237.29 Culver Academies 222.68 Delphi 220.97 Jasper 211.89 Peru 204.52 Benton Central 204.48 Southmont High School 202.62 Garrett 198.25 North Montgomery High School 198.02 Hanover Central 197.64 Bellmont 195.65 New Prairie 188.12 FW Bishop Dwenger 183.04 Rensselear Central 182.68 Twin Lakes 178.07 Edgewood 176.40 Washington 176.30 Lebanon High School 176.16 FW Bishop Luers 176.08 Greencastle 175.76 Glenn 175.10 Indian Creek 174.18 FW Concordia Lutheran 174.09 Wawasee 172.47 South Deaborn High School 170.84 Western 164.14 Griffith 159.58 Madison 158.22 Tippecanoe 151.98 Cascade 151.45 Western Boone High School 151.11 Boonville 149.12 Angola 148.39 Princeton 148.02 Sullivan 145.80 Woodlan 145.21 NorthWood 143.31 Rushville High School 137.15 Fairfield 136.26 Calumet 135.20* Indy Bishop Chatard High School 132.69 Gibson Southern 131.90 Lawrenceburg High School 126.74 Charlestown 124.15 Maconaquah 123.87 Hammond Gavit 123.46 Frankfort High School 122.86 Mount Vernon 121.80 Whitko 119.02 Norwell 118.56 South Vermillion High School 117.34 Rochester 114.80 Centerville High School 111.23 Lakeland 110.89 Brown County 110.61 Greensburg High School 110.32 S.B. St Joseph's 109.74 West Noble 106.84 Pike Central 106.20 Tipton High School 106.16 Vincennes Lincoln 101.01 W. Laffayette 100.88 Hamilton Heights High School 98.98 Indy Howe Academy 97.10 Franklin County High School 96.49 Andrean 95.80 Delta 95.05 Mishawaka Marian 90.05 Tri-West Hendricks 87.66 Batesville High School 87.47 Heritage 86.79 Scottsburg 86.75 West Vigo 85.38 Indy Northwest High School 82.16 Crawfordsville High School 81.91 Mississinewa 80.50 Corydon Central 80.05 North Putnam 77.10 Muncie Central 75.99 Eastbrook 71.69 Knox 69.24 Boone Grove 67.21 Blackford 63.78 Beech Grove High School 59.09 Guerin Catholic High School 55.93 Mitchell 50.90 Indy Manual High School 50.34 Northwestern 45.43 Brebeuf Jesuit High School 44.08 Hammond 43.71 Owen Valley 42.72 Hammond Clark 41.24 Indy Broad Ripple High School 37.41 Ev. Bosse 33.83 Gary Wallace 26.18 Salem 24.35 Indy Arlington High School 12.96 Gary Roosevelt 12.73 Class 1A Teams Total Adams Central 294.36 South Adams 250.14 Churubusco 222.89 North Miami 203.78 Lewis Cass 200.97* Milan High School 200.76 Bremen 195.66 South Putnam 191.92 Fremont 189.27 Prairie Heights 187.82 Shenandoah High School 171.44 Union County High School 170.46 Clinton Central High School 168.75 South Spencer 165.01 Culver 163.82 Oak Hill 161.61 Tecumseh 159.95 Southridge 157.40 Tri-Central High School 153.57 Alexandria High School 152.84 North Posey 152.39 Southwood 151.01 Central Noble 150.80 Frankton High School 149.35 Northfield 148.74 Winamac 146.42 West Central 144.85 Union City 143.87 Paoli 141.39 River Forest 140.17 Winchester 137.56 North White 134.39 Triton Central High School 133.41 Elwood High School 125.79 Wood Memorial 124.79 Westview 124.56 Wapahani 122.85 Eastside 122.00 Seeger Memorial 120.68 Tell City 118.75 Lapel High School 117.99 Cloverdale 117.83 LaVille 117.16 Indy Scecina High School 116.85 Taylor 115.90 Manchester 114.60 Triton Central 114.49 Fountain Central High School 113.79 Monrovia 111.95 Monroe Central 110.87 Southern Wells 109.96 Hagerstown High School 109.01 Indy Crispus Attucks High School 108.60 Wes-Del 107.25 Clinton Prairie High School 105.30 North Newton 104.73 Providence 104.31 Northeastern High School 104.19 Indy Cardinal Ritter High School 102.59 Eastern (Pekin) 102.53 North Vermillion High School 100.34 North Knox 98.00 Knightstown High School 97.64 Carroll (Flora) 95.91 Hammond Bishop Noll 94.71 Lake Station Edison 94.17 South Newton 94.12 Sheridan High School 93.61 Covington High School 91.80 Southwestern (Hanover) 87.02 Forest Park 85.42 North Judson-San Pierre 81.93 New Washington 81.56 Speedway High School 79.65 Pioneer 78.51 Eastern Hancock High School 77.16 Rossville 75.99 Oldenburg Academy 74.59 Caston 73.76 Frontier 72.21 Cambridge City Lincoln High School 69.28 Eastern (Greentown) 66.50 Indy Washington High School 66.45 Tri High School 65.40 Rockville High School 63.99 Hebron 62.73 Bluffton 62.51 Christian Academy of Indiana 62.20 Blue River Valley High School 58.33 Attica High School 48.73 Laffayette Central Catholic 46.40 Switzerland County 45.15 Park Tudor High School 44.08 Randolph Southern 43.50 Turkey Run High School 42.30 Indiana School for the Deaf 39.96 Daleville 38.25 Whiting 34.19 Madison-Grant 25.85 Crawford County 25.60 Howe Military 21.19 Wabash 9.36

Yeah, sorry, we had an issue with the data from one of the semi-state reporters. I have it all set to go the moment I can cross-check his data with our other reporter from his area to be sure everything is right. It may be Thursday night. Really sorry! Almost there!

We'll get things out as quickly as we can, but it will take a little time to be sure all scores are official. We want to post a list of all teams in the state and there are a number of issues to be sure all our bases are covered before that is possible. We'll shoot for Wednesday as with other weeks, but I can't absolutely promise that.

Someone asked about brooks' low match count: he was ineligible for the first few weeks of the season.

Coach, I have really appreciated your thoughts and dialogue throughout the past few weeks. You obviously have great respect in the wrestling community, so you deserve answers to these issues. Firstly, the scoring system is just that: a scoring system independent of previous results. Just as with a team tournament during the year, you have to perform well and you have to have some luck. The scoring system is based on projection tools, but in the end it is a scoring system--it is left in the hands of the teams to earn points. I want to break down why Heritage Hills leads you 251 to 211 (equivalent to a 10-point dual spread): 1. Wrestlers scoring points (you do not score for a forfeit or for an underclassman with less than 10 matches who doesn't advance to regional; wrestlers of this type have no projection value on your team quality for next year): HH 14, Jasper 12 2. Underclassmen who scored: HH 11, Jasper 11 3. Total advanced to regional or beyond: HH 12, Jasper 12 4. Advanced to state: HH 2, Jasper 0 5. Early-round difficulty (sectional AND regional incorporated--not just sectional): HH's path 12th, Jasper's 30th Also, it's worth mentioning that if you had simply had scoring wrestlers at the two weights you had zero and had you won even one more match at any weight at semi-state, you would have 235 points right now and be squarely in the mix for the coaches' vote for wildcard #3. As it is, you still have a realistic chance to be in the coaches' vote next year for the final wildcard depending on what happens this weekend and in the wildcard #3 vote. As I said in another post, we'll re-evaluate multipliers for next season based on how successful teams were in this year's tournament compared to their multipliers. We're always open to feedback and discussion about how it all works. Enjoy the wrestling this weekend.

A few more points on the multiplier: 1. It has nothing to do with which classes are represented in a sectional or regional--only overall quality and the average number of points being prevented or allowed because of an above-average or below-average sectional or regional. 2. We will definitely be able to use this year's tourney results to develop the multiplier for next year. For a number of reasons, people don't seem to trust the end-of-season, full-year Genius ratings. Genius gives a more comprehensive picture of each team's quality, but I think seeing in black and white how the tournament performances match the multiplier will feel easier for people to take in. The results will be similar enough that I have no problem doing this. 3. The "wide range" between the cap (1.3) and the low end (0.7) is actually much smaller than the data suggests it should be. One early-round multiplier without a cap would have been more than 1.6 while several low-end multipliers would have been around 0.6 without a lower limit. The disparity in quality between numerous sectional/regional combinations is enormous. There are a couple regionals that only have 3 or 4 teams that were in the top half of the Genius year-end ratings last year. At the same time, there are a couple regionals that had 12 or more teams in the top half. This has a huge, huge effect on the number of kids advancing or not advancing out of these sectionals/regionals.

Just to be clear: the multipliers were based off a full season of data of all results of all teams from last year--not limited data this year. Also, Jasper is very close to these other teams--they just don't have anyone at state so they can't move up. They're not still way back at 180. As we said, we'll publish all teams' final scores after the state finals.

With this selection process, they both would have been there last year...but Reitz needs a miracle this year. Merrillville's in line for the 3rd wildcard and they already have enormous points. Reitz needs to be within 30 of them to qualify for the coaches' vote.

EMD is actually 1A in size, but schools were given the option of moving up in class. EMD elected to move up to 3A.

Below are the standings after semi-state. This week, only the teams with a mathematical possibility of earning one of the 7 positions awarded this season are included. Remember as always that these scores are earned in a way that shows us how good a team should be in duals next season. Some notes: 1. Many teams with higher scores than some listed here are not on the list because they're mathematically eliminated (Jasper, for example, is very highly rated in 2A but has no one left wrestling and are slightly below what they'd need to remain in contention). 2. Remember, 4 positions are awarded for highest points from each of the semi-states for each class and 2 Wildcard positions are awarded for the 2 highest remaining scores, regardless of semi-state. The 3rd wildcard for each class will be determined by selection committee vote after the season from among the first available candidate and any other candidates within 30 points (3A and 2A) or 35 points (1A). 3. Scores for Merrillville semi-state teams are almost certainly correct, but should not be considered official. The others are official. 4. We'll post final scores for all teams in the state after the state finals. 5. Teams listed are mathematically "alive" either to win their semi-state berth or to be within the prescribed point differential to qualify for the coaches' vote. Numerous teams listed would need very, very big surprises this weekend to remain alive. 6. NO INJURY POINTS HAVE BEEN INCLUDED YET. DON'T FORGET TO TURN IN YOUR INJURY REPORTS TO COACH STRUCK FOR SOPHOMORES AND JUNIORS WHO QUALIFIED FOR AT LEAST SEMI-STATE LAST YEAR BUT DIDN'T WRESTLE SECTIONAL THIS YEAR DUE TO INJURY. INSTRUCTIONS ARE IN A "PINNED" THREAD AT THE TOP OF THIS BOARD. *--In position to win an automatic semi-state berth $--In position to win one of 2 automatic wildcard berths 3A Teams: *Perry Meridian 358.30 $Cathedral 325.72 *Evansville Mater Dei 315.81 $Bloomington South 306.20 *Crown Point 296.03 Merrillville 293.03 Franklin 263.48 Lake Central 259.56 Penn 253.46 Center Grove 251.62 Avon 235.92 Portage 235.85 Hamilton Southeastern 233.68 Greenfield-Central 221.30 South Bend Clay 221.03 Evansville Reitz 217.56 *Elkhart Memorial 217.02 FW Snider 203.63 East Noble 195.37 2A Teams: *Evansville Memorial 298.96 *Jimtown 278.62 $Danville 259.31 $Heritage Hills 251.79 Leo 246.36 Yorktown 245.92 Muncie Southside 222.88 *Culver Academies 222.68 Delphi 217.98 Peru 204.52 Benton Central 204.48 *Southmont 202.62 1A Teams: *Adams Central 294.36 $South Adams 240.44 $Churubusco 222.89 North Miami 203.78 *Milan 200.76 *Bremen 194.60 *South Putnam 191.92 Fremont 189.27 Prairie Heights 187.82 Lewis Cass 186.99 Shenandoah 171.44 Union County 170.46 Culver 156.46

My official docs have your data correct...don't worry.

We do not award points in these situations.

Good question. First of all, Busco has absolutely a 0% chance of finishing ahead of South Adams, so we definitely do want to let things play out. At this point they're at a similar score because 1) they have a huge % of their team coming back, 2) most of those returnees placed in a tough sectional (which means A LOT when we're forecasting 1A dual meet strength), and 3) because those high-placing kids you mention are not differentiated from 4th placers. Only final advancement level is considered in the points. This week will change everything because other teams will keep getting points while Busco is about done. Keep in mind it's 1A also. There are no superpower teams. The list of teams with more than 1 semi-state underclassmen is very short. The list of teams with almost their entire roster coming back is literally almost none--especially a team that placed so many against higher-class teams in their sectional. 1A is just a different animal.