KarlHungus

I'm sure that is how it started rise but AJ and I have a tendency to get off track.

I thought that might generate a reaction. I know there are plenty of 103s that are legit wrestlers, but you would have to admit that there are many more 'hallway recruited' 1st time wrestlers that are sold on the fact that they will 'earn' their varsity letter at 103 than all the other classes combined. I am being a realist on the adding a weight class issue. If it were possible to have both, I would be OK with that, but don't see it happening. Nothing against 103 lbers. If the data showed that 160 had 25% forfeits, I would be for eliminating that weight class and adding a class where there are more kids wrestling.

What is hard to understand? Weight classes are adjusted all the time to reflect trends. The data shows that 103 is by far the weight class that most schools can't fill, therefore an adjustment in the weight classes adding an additional weight class somewhere else would give opportunities to those have spent a couple of years in the practice room already and have earned a place on a varsity team rather then just being the beneficiary of genetics to have a varsity spot.

Who ever claimed this?

What about the 90% of schools that have an upperclassman who has paid his dues in the room but can't win a varsity spot because the weight classes don't reflect where the majority of kids are at?

I agree but what I don't understand is why a respected wrestling writer (Creason) is saying Mishawaka is #1 when the poll says otherwise.

No. 1 Cavemen punish rivals TIM CREASON Tribune Correspondent PLYMOUTH ? After months of pounding each other in the practice room, No. 1-ranked Mishawaka?s wrestling team was happy to finally see a different colored uniform out on the mat this week. From coaches poll: 1. Evansville Mater Dei 389, 2. Perry Meridian 385, 3. Mishawaka 382 Is EMD #1 or Mishawaka?

http://www.indystar.com/article/20081204/LOCAL0104/812040367/1169/SPORTS0212

http://www.indystar.com/article/20081204/LOCAL1802/812040464/1169/SPORTS0212

Huh?

http://www.indystar.com/article/20081205/LOCAL0103/812050334/1169/SPORTS0212

http://www.indystar.com/article/20081206/LOCAL0402/812060367/1169/SPORTS0212

To me it is an Apples and Oranges comparison of sorts. I only used the comparision to give some structure to the point of school size as it relates to participation. To keep the point in perspective, wrestling is by it's very definition an individual sport first...and a team sport second. If the individual steps on the mat and does what he has worked to do, then the team outcome will follow if all are working as hard as they can as individuals. No one there to pick up the slack or lend a hand. It's just the wrestler and that six minute monster he has to tame. If I had to give and answer to your question, I would have to say Yes - for Football I am in favor of it...althought I think it needs a total overhaul in its implimentation. But even as it stands, we see 3-A schools kicking the daylights out of 5-A schools year in and year out and 2-A schools who can play with the big schools on any given weekend. It's more about the skill sets of the teams and what they bring to the table. As I said, obviously have a larger pool of talent available to a program greatly increases the odds, but every year we see the "exceptions". To sum this up...as weird as it sounds...do we have a "Class System" for High School Debate or Chess? Or how about Swimming/Diving orTrack and Field? I am guessing the answer is NO. Why not? Well that would be because of the following: A. These are individual based activities that focus more on the individual performance than that of the team. B. Not a huge source of revenue for the IHSAA or the Education System of Indiana. However the state does have a tournament series for the entire teams. All other sports that have the required participation level have class team champions. (baseball, volleyball, etc). They are non revenue generators also. I'm guessing the state wrestling series brings in more then baseball and volleyball combined. The IHSAA should be consistant and have a classed wrestling team state series at the very least.

"sobriquet" Dictionary please. JK

If you would politely point out that information to RankingsGuy, I am sure he would take it into consideration.

http://nwi.com/articles/2008/12/07/sports/indiana_prep_sports/doc6c40b390f04a0d6686257518000d0035.txt

http://thenewsdispatch.com/main.asp?SectionID=8&SubSectionID=96&ArticleID=19498&TM=47404.53

http://www.heraldargus.com/main.asp?SectionID=6&SubSectionID=7&ArticleID=124185

http://www.heraldargus.com/main.asp?SectionID=6&SubSectionID=7&ArticleID=124184

# 16 Bryce Holland (Laporte) lost 9-5 in the 215 class to Vlade Narovski (lake central)

What was the score prior to the pin? Not trying to imply anything, i know Farnham is tough. Also does anyone know if Deurloo from Plymouth is injured/not wrestling yet?

JIMTOWN 65, MARIAN 9; GLENN 52, LAVILLE 21; NEW PRAIRIE 51, KNOX 24; JIMTOWN 56, GLENN 19; KNOX 54, LAVILLE 28; NEW PRAIRIE 75, MARIAN 6; KNOX 59, MARIAN 6; J IMTOWN 55, LAVILLE 20; NEW PRAIRIE 57, GLENN 18; JIMTOWN 39, KNOX 30; GLENN 42, MARIAN 31; NEW PRAIRIE 61, LAVILLE 9; MARIAN 42, LAVILLE 42 (Marian won on tie-breaker); KNOX 48, GLENN 27; NEW PRAIRIE 39, JIMTOWN 31 Wt. Class Champions: 103: Michael Wireman (LV) 112: Nate Smith (JT) 119: Danny Bradley (K) 125: Colin Crume (JT), David Wagenblast (M), Kyle Hernandez (K) 130: Joe Zigler (NP) 135: Jeremy Hill (JT) 140: John Michael Moore (JT) 145: Niles Goodman (NP) 152: Jordan Martin (NP) 160: Jimmy Krause (K) 171: Adam Winebrenner (K) 189: Zack Spurgeon (JT) 215: Kannon Keigley (NP) 285: Craig Fitzgerald (G)

TEAM RESULTS: Mishawaka 5-0, Riley 4-1, Northridge 3-2, Plymouth 2-3, Harrison (Lafayette) 1-4, Bremen 0-5. ROUND ONE: Northridge 38, Plymouth 32 Riley 63, Harrison 17 Mishawaka 83, Bremen 0 ROUND TWO: Mishawaka 74, Harrison 0; Riley 37, Northridge 29; Plymouth 63, Bremen 6. ROUND THREE: Mishawaka 56, Plymouth 12 Northridge 51, Harrison 21 Riley 69, Bremen 12 ROUND FOUR: Plymouth 42, Harrison 25 Mishawaka 48, Riley 9 Northridge 56, Bremen 10 ROUND FIVE: Mishawaka 51, Northridge 18 Riley 46, Plymouth 23 Harrison 46, Bremen 30 UNDEFEATED (5-0) WRESTLERS 103: Lyman Stoneburner (Mish). 112: Taylor Wisler (Mish). 119: Matt Guerra (Mish). 125: Nick Schrader (Mish). 135: Chase Lewandowski (Ply). 140: Steven Sandefer (Mish). 145: Kyle Mays (North). 152: Tim Forte (Mish). 160: Ross Powell (North). 171: Reece Farnham (North) 189: Drew Graber (North) 215: Christian Lentz (Mish) 285: Darius Cooley (Mish) KEY MATCHES NORTHRIDGE 38, PLYMOUTH 32 103: Austyn Lee (P) won by forfeit. 112: Gary Houser (N) won by forfeit. 119: Dustin White (N) maj. dec. Nolan Ludwig, 13-2. 125: Chuck Holmquest (P) dec. Jake Kenny, 4-1. 130: Caleb Kelly (P) dec. Jason Watts, 9-7. 135: Chase Lewandowski (P) maj. dec. Brandon Lewallen, 12-4. 140: James Letsinger (P) maj. dec. Eric Miller, 9-0. 145: Kyle Mays (N) maj. dec. Chris Erickson, 13-4. 152: Sam Tomasik (P) pinned Rick Powers, 1:38. 160: Ross Powell (N) pinned Ryan Evans, 1:05. 171: Reese Farnham (N) pinned Scott Barry, 0:47. 189: Drew Graber (N) pinned Brock Vermillion, 5:00. 215: Todd Bontrager (N) pinned Blake Gaines, 0:59. 285: Damon Howe (P) pinned Alex Riley, 0:52. MISHAWAKA 48, RILEY 9 103: Lyman Stoneburner (M) dec. Erik Ullery, 11-4. 112: Taylor Wisler (M) dec. Nick Nielsen, 5-0. 119: Matt Guerra (M) pinned Clifford McLeod, 0:41. 125: Nick Schrader (M) tech fall Justin Creswell, 16-1. 130: Jake Taylor ® won by forfeit. 135: Tyler Reinoehl (M) maj. dec. Coty Hoffman-Nutting, 10-2. 140: Steve Sandefer (M) maj. dec. Trace Hall, 11-3. 145: Alex White (M) pinned Victor Navarro, 2:38. 152: Tim Forte (M) pinned Brandon Reynolds-Smith, 3-1. 160: Richard Morin (M) dec. Kyle Ullery, 12-7. 171: Huey Hudson ® dec. Joey Smith, 3-1. 189: Dustin Boyd (M) pinned Timmy Buckingham, 5:29. 215: Christian Lentz (M) pinned Travis Ullery, 4:17. 285: Darius Cooley (M) dec. Pablo Auces, 4-0.

Pioneer goes 4-1 Pioneer 46-30 North Newton Pioneer 35-33 Twin Lakes Pioneer 54-21 North Judson Pioneer 42-36 North White Renssalaer 45-29 Pioneer Korniak (103) 3-2 Johnson (112) 5-0 Dorris (135) 5-0 Wagner (140) 1-2 Baxter (145) 2-3 Thimler (152) 2-3 Nethercutt (160) 5-0 Fox (171) 5-0 Beckley (189) 2-3 Ulery (215) 2-1 Fox (285) 5-0 NORTH WHITE 48, NORTH JUDSON 28; RENSELEAR 56, NORTH JUDSON 24; TWIN LAKES 54, NORTH JUDSON 27; NORTH NEWTON 54, NORTH JUDSON 18; PIONEER 54, NORTH JUDSON 21 North Judson Champions: 130: Robert Davis 5-0.

Delphi 5-0 West Central 4-1 Winamac 3-2 CMA 1-4 Caston 1-4 Mississinewa 1-4 Delphi champs: McIlrath (112) Back (119) McTeague (130) Smith (135) Lynde (140) Back (145) Atwood (171) Yoakum (215) Evertt (285) Big matches Minix (W) def. Pogue (Miss) Young (CMA) dec. Minix (W) 13-3 CMA scores were as follows: CMA 49 Caston 27 CMA 30 Mississinewa 46 CMA 06 Delphi 69 CMA 20 Winamac 60 CMA 20 West Central 54 Undefeated wrestler Daniel Young, 10-0 on the season, Jack Crawford went 4-1 improving his overall season record to 9-1 at 215.