mikelane1609

I am curious of your opinions on this topic.  Obviously, somebody mentioned that Hockaday didn't "cut weight," but do you feel its necessary to cut weight weight?  I'm in a coach's group message and we have awesome debates all the time. 
 
In my opinion there's a difference between cutting weight and managing weight.  For example, our champ, Chase Leech, weighed 182-184 pre season, and practiced a couple of days and was under 175.  When we arrived back to the hotel after the finals, Chase was 4 pounds under weight.  I would say Chase managed a weight and did not cut weight.  *This decision to go 175 was based on focussing on getting better at wrestling and not fighting the scale.
 
All of that being said, I don't think it's as possible to do what Chase did at the lighter weight classes.  (Hockaday would be the exception, and possibly Hockaday "managed" his weight as well.).   In many cases I think it can give a kid a mental edge if they have to do work to make a weight class...
 
Thoughts?

I see a lot of posts complaining and asking why Indiana doesnt' have wrestle backs.  And since this is the time of the year we need them the most, I thought id construct the list of reasons/theories/hypotheses or plain conspiracies as why the great wrestlers of Indiana dont have the essential tool granted to every other state in their state series.  Here's my list In David Letterman style!!!!!!
 
10.We cant be like Illinois theory: In Indiana's continuous competition with Illinois and the resulting inferiority complex, Indiana had to do something different and in the name of conservative stubborness, we found a great avenue to differentiate from the Land of Lincoln,  "We wont have wrestlebacks like those woke liberal dudes to the west".
 
9. The Hunger Games theory:  In the the modern action novel where each district's humble heroes travel to the capitol and are placed in an arena to fight each other to die or move on for the ultimate reward solely for the purpose of the audience's bloody lust for entertainment.  Just like the Hunger games, we in Indiana travel to the capitol and are entertained by the Friday night circus called the ticket round where we love to see our humble wrestlers reach immediate state placing glory.  But also, we love the sudden agony of defeat and seeing ranked wrestler's dreams and hope of destroyed abruptly.  Wrestlers, "May the odds ever be in your favor".
 
8.  Save the IHSAA beautiful mats:  The IHSAA has great mats.   Buy eliminating wrestle backs, were cutting out 29% of wrestling from the tournament thus saving our mats for future years.
 
7.  Let's hang out at Tilted Kilt more theory:   Not that I've ever been there, but by eliminating wrestle backs this opens up more time for the great wrestling fans of the Hoosier state to patronize the abundant downtown dining places like the Tilted Kilt (come on, you guys tipped big).  We love places like "Dicks last resort, St Elmo's (love the Shrimp cocktail) or Fog De Chao for those with big appetite.  Even though I was disappointed when the kid i was cheering for lost and didn't have a wrestle back match, I did have extra time and the consolation to sincerely enjoy some tasty pasta at Buca.  The East Chicago equivalents are Portillo's or El Gran Taco.  But Ive heard Region Rat recommend PoleKatz for their excellent bar food and service.  In Evansville, the wrestling community and guys like TripleB  utilizes the extra time to spend at "Taco Bell, Panda Express and Pizza King".
 
6. Indiana Loves Quality over Quantity hypothesis:  We just want to see good matches and not be distracted by a plethora of matches created by "wrestlebacks".    If it has the word consolation in it, then you're going to have to console us from watching it. The winner's bracket is just so much more watchable and cool. Why stymie the tournament with consolation matches.  Is anybody watching the Ravens vs the Lions this weekend?      Come on everybody likes to see perennial winners and champions like Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs and i guess that other team from California.  But they ain't watching the consolation bowl.
 
 
5.  The biased IHSAA board makeup theory:   The IHSAA board, which has the overarching power to decide wrestling competition rules, is made up of former basketball, baseball and football coaches.  We have very little wrestling representation on the board.  Remember Indiana is a basketball state and those guys get power.   When asked to include wrestle backs, they say we don't have baseball backs, basketball backs, tennis backs or football backs, why should wrestlers get wrestle backs?  Its only a matter of fairness they say.   We did have some hope when the swimming coach on the board did show some interest in the idea, and curiously asked are wrestling backs like the backstroke?
 
4. Sinister Y2CJ41 conspiracy theory:  While Joe Caprino was thinking of ways to improve Indianamat participation and patronization, he conspired this idea in his lair at Victory Bay (yes it exists).  With his capacity to pull strings in Indiana wrestling, and his overreaching influence on the gatekeepers of the wrestling community he, came up with the idea to create controversy and blowup discussion on the Indianamat forum by secretly eliminating wrestle backs in the state tournament.  You notice "wrestle backs" is a common controversial topic????? You ever wonder why we don't have class wrestling????? Just saying i heard something on Qanon. I swear.
 
3. I didnt have wrestle backs when i wrestled:  How many grizzled veterans of the Indiana state tournament post they love the format, and that we have the best tournament in the country.  Even though many were scarred by their bad draws and robbed of placing or their lots were thrown wheel of luck. Its really just a psychological perception to block progress because they didn't have the same advantage.   Old stuck in its ways says: "Why should these young cocky, "soft" spoiled wrestlers have an advantage we didn't.   It's just not fair".    Thus were continually stuck in this circular state of no progress.   These are the same dudes that walked to school 6 miles in the snow and loved it.
 
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2.  We just arent trying or working hard enough theory!!  Under the current format, we will get bad draws and the better wrestlers wont advance.  But this could be overcome if everybody worked more or tried harder.   If every Indiana wrestler tried harder, we would never have a bad draw regardless of no wrestlebacks.  This is also the same reason we haven't found Sasquatch yet.
 
1. The Ricky Bobby Impact:  "If you aren't first, you're last".   That's the message we're getting.  Anyway, it's all about finding the one champion. That's what counts.  If you lose to the champion, then it doesn't really matter when you lost to him.  You're not important because you're not the champion. See #6 on consolation.   Yes, those silly non- first place medals are just over glorified system of participation trophies.  Why should we spend more time on silly consolation wrestle backs that's only irrelevant purpose is to separate the losers.
 
 
 

A martial arts club that teaches Judo would be helpful.
 
Judo focuses on takedown throws from the standing position. It would be very helpful to get someone comfortable in those positions.
 
Traditionally they would probably start from the basics & be fairly slow in the training progression. But if you were to explain what you are wanting, they might be willing to work with someone on an individual basis & tailor the training accordingly.

We are located in central Indiana and attend one of the academies and it does a great job of teaching folkstyle and freestyle during the respective season. I was just curious if anyone had been to anyone or to a specific club for that type of training as I have found it hard to find for my son.  Really just trying to find technical instruction to help get comfortable with over under, double underhooks, hip/ feet positioning - that sort of thing.  Not that I really want him wrestling there in general but because there are kids who do and I am trying to get him comfortable when there.  Willing to drive wherever or pay for privates if I can find the right place or person.  

Does anyone have any recommendations on where a kid can go to learn upper body technique?  I have looked everywhere and can’t find camps that might help.  thanks for any insight.