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Mr. Calanca, Be assured of our prayers. Also know that Kyle's strength of character throughout this ordeal is an inspiration for so many. God Bless you and yours!

Yes. But I do thank you for the reminder. Nor did I indicate that I was testifying under oath. Not really sure why you got that impression. I am simply stating my argument as clearly and precisely as possible so that so as to avoid misunderstanding or, as is more commonly the case, being taken out of context. I was not attempting be haughty. I am not referring to legal rights (therefore no lawyers, who quite frankly, often suck). What is moral and what is legal are not always the same thing. Furthermore, you are speaking in terms of ‘rights’ in some sense of that word. See your ‘sum total’ comment for example. I’m not agitated. Just enjoying a friendly discussion. Who’s screaming? I am not following you here. I don’t understand this paragraph. IF you are trying to say that the courts would side with the rights of the girl to wrestle and the rights of the boy to refuse, I would agree with you. But as I pointed out above, my argument has nothing at all to do with what courts or attorneys would say. I am not arguing that girls do not have a legal right to wrestle. This entire thread is about whether the Iowa lad was justified in doing what he did, and his argument was based on morals, not the legality of the situation. In other words he did not object to wrestling the girl because he thought it would be illegal. He objected because he thought it was immoral. I agree with him. When I speak of the ‘right’ to wrestle or not, I am referring to the morality of it. If one does not have a moral right to a thing (such as one’s right to eat, have shelter, etc.), then it can be denied in certain circumstances. Then you are implying that they have a right to compete, which is exactly what I am arguing against. Not sure what this means. Again, this is exactly what I am arguing against, namely that if it is a choice of having them wrestle boys or not wrestle at all, then the only option, in my opinion, is not wrestle at all. Obviously, that goes both ways. If the only choice for the boy is to wrestle a girl, then, I would do just as the Iowa wrestler did: not wrestle. And I don’t. But it goes beyond ‘not liking’ it. I am morally opposed to it. I would suggest that it will have the exact opposite effect.

Are those lime's she's cutting? If she is making a Gin and Tonic she would certainly be up there....

Let me clarify what I just posted above. I am not saying that there should not be women's wrestling. I am simply saying that it is not an absolute right, whereby they have the right to wrestle no matter what. I would concede that there should be a women's wrestling league of some sort, but as just that, a concession, rather than as a good in and of itself. If they are going to wrestle, and clearly they are, then they should wrestle other women. In sum, I am morally, prudentially, and practically opposed to women wrestling men.

The fallacy in your argument is your first premise; namely, that girls have an absolute right to compete in the sport. I do not admit that premise, and therefore I believe that the statement 'until more girl's only programs exist that means they have to wrestle boys' is a non sequitur.

Leaving aside the question of what an 'offical' is and how this thing would go about being 'assamed', why would a person assume favoritism based only on the fact that a bad call was made? I am not agreeing that the call was bad. I did not see it, so I will not weigh in on it. But for the sake of the argument let's say it was a bad call. Can we not agree that there are other reasons for a bad call? Ignorance, blindess, muddleheadedness, and much much more, can all lead to a bad call. The fact that we have human beings as refs will, by the very nature of that creature, result in mistakes. Let me be clear. I am not defending bad calls or the refs that consistently make them. Some of these guys need to retire. I am simply pointing out what should be obvious; namely, that refs, even the best, will make mistakes by virtue of the fact that they are human beings, and that these unfortunate lapses do not necessarily indicate that favoritism is at play.

Busted.

Here is an article on the subject: http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/260897/should-boys-wrestle-girls-mona-charen

But you can die trying (figuratively speaking), and that is something we were not willing to do on Saturday. And that is why we lost.

I'm not taking anything away from LN. They deserve everything they got. They faught hard and maximized their wins, against the odds. That showed a level of character that was, perhaps, unforseen by many, which makes it more impressive, in my opinion. Sadly, I am afraid there is some truth to what you say. Keeping things in proper prospective.

I do not.

Exactly. And yesterday that is what separated a good team like Mater Dei from a gold medal.

We're not taking anything away from him. He went out and pinned a superior wrestler, and in so doing, won the match for LN. Dalton was favored to win that match. Douthitt obviously did not pay attention to who was favored, gave it all he had, aand walked off the mat very victorious.

A most fastidious observation...

I said congratulations as well.

Getting pinned four times is 1)embarassing and 2)probably unprecedented in MD state tournament history. The Brandenstein match is simply, well, as you said, wow. There were so many things that went wrong there, and throughout the entire match. Four pins? One Team came to win. The other brought some individuals who wanted to win, and some who were not so sure, or didn't have what it takes to get over a first round match like they had. Sad days. Congratulations to Lawrence North and Good Luck! You earned it.

Sad days.

That is no lie.

Are we trying to set the record for most times getting pinned in one meet? This is rediculous.

Lower weights asleep? What the hell.

This is ugly.

Only one real surprise thus far, I think (112).

Indeed!

Good call, coach!

Exactly. Shrewbury showed an incredible and rare depth of character. My hat is off to him and my prayers are with him and his family. Congratulations to both sides for one heck of a match.