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1. Aren't we then hurting the 1A running back who doesn't get to compete against the best defenses in the state during the tournament? 2. I feel any school that can dictate who is allowed into the school should have an automatic class jump 3. Highly unlikely that the very best small schools in the state are forfeiting multiple weight classes year in and year out. 4. I need data on a statement like that, not just "ask other wrestlers." 5. Again, bravado and chest-puffing. The important thing is the health of our sport, not having the "purest tournament." 1. Football and wrestling are not comparable. We could kind of compare basketball and show how classing the state title has ruined the sport. Attendance is way down ammoung many other things. Wrestling has wieght classes as their equaliser. 2. Nice so again it is not the size of the school. You can not have it both ways. Their are several smaller catholic schools that do not have the greatest programs so making them jump classes in wrestling may cause the dismissal of a program in future years. Were trying to promote the sport by classing it i thought. 3. This is probably false at the top level of the smaller schools but the tournement for a 1 and 2 a school would be a joke in a ton of regionals with forfeits. Plus section champs would have some forfeits and it just looks bad. 4. Y2J put data up in another post and the numbers said that the state on a whole did not like it, but the coaches favored it like 70 % or something along those lines. If its bad for the wrestlers its bad for the sport. 5. We have changed the tournement like 3 times in the past eight years and I have heard arguements of wrestlebacks at semi state. Basically the numbers of off season wrestling especially freestyle is spiraling downward. Attendance is down what more do we need to do to hurt what was never broken. "Chest pumping", yeah let me tell you who wants the class systems. Its the small school coach who is struggling because he's not working hard enough in the off season. Basically this is only for the coaches I haven't ever heard a wrestler say gosh I wish we weren't wrestling such a big school tonight were going to get smoked.

this is more a coaches website this time of year so i imagine 70-30 instead of 90-10. But yes that sounds like a great idea.

Good point Y2. Matre Dei does charge to go to that school so lets start classing average income of wrestlers parents. After all your after equality in the sport. Wrestling is a great sport cause it doesn't matter who your dad is it doesn't matter your size all that matters is hardwork and effort. There is no one to blame but yourself when you lose. So the ultimate equalizer is already there its already the fairest sport. You get what you put into it. So I suggest unstead of making excuses why the current system isn't fair, you go out and work your butts off and get where you want to be. The level of success is not equal to the ammount of atheletes but the ammount of effort the atheletes put into it. Everyone who has ever wrestled should know that. If crown point did not have good work ethic they couldn't achieve what they did, and you could throw 2000 more wrestlers out there and the results would be the same.

[table] Lefthanded, Then you are saying since those states are bigger, it's not fair to compare them and say they're better than Indiana? Isn't that the same thing as saying one high school is bigger than another so it's not fair to compare the quality of wrestling programs? And if it's not fair to compare them against one another, why is it fair to rank them through competition against one another? [/table] were talking 1500 compared to a few millions. Don't get me wrong i would love to see indiana at the top of the list, but realistically speaking we are more then 20 years away from that and one reason we may be having such success at the college level like we are(humphreys, escobedo, tshirts, kinser, howe), might be that we have better competition throughout the season in the state tournement. Also all of these wrestlers worked in the off season and wrestled out of state in national competitions. There are plenty of competitive schools that are smaller, classing wrestling in indiana would hurt on a whole and there are tons of reasons for that. 1. Wouldn't wrestle the best in the state. How are you suppose to jump to wrestling the best in the nation. 2. Catholic schools like matre dei would win smaller team state every year. 3. There would be class A teams at team states with forfeits and thats just a joke 4. Ask the wrestlers, and in other states they perfer non class wrestling. All the coaches complaining quit whining, wrestling is an individual sport and you no it I dought you could name your highschools dual meet record as a senior but you definatly no your own and there is a reason for that. 5. Its the purest tournement in the state of indiana right now and we keep screwing with it and making it easier and easier. 4 out of sectionals is kinda weak

I would just like to point out that Evansville has had a school that has switched between 2 and 3 A in football compete for many state titles. I would imagine there were between 400-600 students throughout those times. They have been in the championship 5 of 6 years or so. So basically if you want equality in the sport of wrestling it is silly to discuss size. So yes small schools are competitive in the current system. Otherwise give matre dei there title and let the big schools compete. It is an absolute fact that over the past 10 years the best team(year after year) has been a smaller school. Coaches need to quit complaining and start working in the off season. 14 spots is not impossible to fill anywhere and with the proper training yes they can be competitive.

Yeah statement 3 is why California and its 20,000 wrestlers need to be classed. Not Indiana and its 3,500. Your comparing apples and oranges and its rediculous. Every thing we have done in the past ten years to the state tournement takes away from the sports involvement. The sectional 4 out and regional win one and your in semi state has already hurt the sport. It has delocalized sectionals which hurts fan turnout. Why is Iowa high school wrestling so good? Its because the Iowa Hawkeyes are dominate at the college level and its part of the states heritage. Why is Indiana high school basketball so good? It's because its part of our heritage and the Hoosiers and Boilers are good and they usually recruit in state. At least with Bobby Knight. What we need to do is show loyalty at the college level to recruit more in state. If Indiana and Purdue would have all the in state recruits we could have a pretty solid NCAA contender and thus more exposure from the sport. Which would inturn make a new Indiana heritage which would start the ball rolling. Also youth programs and rtcs are great for the sport lets get them out and advertise more. Indiana wrestling is better now then it has ever been and we don't need to change things we need to let them progress on there own by the hardwork of people in the sport.

Joe, Did you ever think that maybe it has nothing to do w/ class wrestling and that those states in the top 10 are just better than us? Also, every state in the top 10 except for Iowa has a larger population than Indiana. I would contend that Florida, Maryland, and North Carolina are not better than us, but for an Indiana kid to goto a D1 school it pretty much has to be Big 10 if they want to stay anywhere close to home. I'm guessing the Florida, Maryland, and NC kids are going to schools outside of the big 10. I could be wrong though. [table] [/table] You are absolutely correct in saying that Indiana is right where we should be in the national scheme of things. In fact I would argue that the college caliber wrestlers coming out of Indiana is better now then it ever has been. The system clearly is not broke so it doesn't need to be fixed. Name the last time Indiana produced 5 wrestlers in the college level that were top five in their respective weight classes. With this being said, I also believe that we have yet to peak and by classing the state tournament many kids will not be able to wrestle the top level kids in our state. It also takes away from what many consider the finest athletic tournament in the state. For the people interested in classing the team section, would you like me to start engraving all the matre dei class A titles. It would do nothing but allow for coaches to brag a little more about there stats. Also wrestling only has 14 spots to fill and with the right youth programs this is more then an achievable feet. Winning a team state title as a small school has been done, it can be done again, and it will be done again in the near future