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A quicker stalemate call epically from your typical shot sprawl situation, would encourage more offense. What happens now is. Wrestler A waits for wrestler B to take a shot. Sense wrestler A is only worried about stopping a shot it is much harder for wrestler B to finish. So now wrestler A sprawls for 15, 20, or even 30 seconds until he finally is able to get behind for 2. If a quicker stalemate was called in these situations you would have fare less defensive take downs. Which would then in turn encourage more offense!

It would also help if we got quicker on the stalemate calls! I see this at the collage level. I can't stand when the wrestlers are stuck in a non scoring position for 20, 30 or even 40 seconds.

What is worse is when a wrestler runs to the edge then waits for the other guy to take a shot and then tries to counter. Knowing full well that they can more than likely get out of bounds if they get in trouble. I saw one kid get all the way to state doing this.

What weight classes will New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Ohio and Iowa be using? They are clearly the top states for HS wrestling and I am just curious on the way they are heading on this.

Action is what everyone wants but without changes in the rules. A large portion of high level matches will be won by the defensive wrestler. 1) I also like the rule that if a takedown is started in bounds it counts as a takedown. This would really encourage guys to take chances on the edge.

mtv2112 Almost all arguments have some emotion in them. That is why we argue. Even your argument has emotion in it or you would not use words like this. "When you start worrying about poor little Johnny who only weighs 98 lbs".

Not sure this is a problem with refs not calling stalling but a problem with our scoring system. I think there needs to be a way to reward the more aggressive wrestler. What I see now is defensive wrestlers winning more matches then aggressive wrestlers at the higher levels. I have heard a couple of rule changes that may help. 1) Push out rule 2) Standing the wrestlers up after a reasonable amount of time. 3) possibly giving 2 points for a takedown if it comes from and offensive move and only 1 for a defensive move. Do you guys have any thoughts?

They are not based on emotion. They are based on the fact that if we keep pushing up the lightest weight we will soon have a percentage of kids who have to wrestle up a weight class. Do your realise that if they keep the 2 lb allowance the lowest class will be 108 at the end of the year. That will lead to problems that are now being discussed on other posts. Mainly boys are not big enough so parents decide to red shirt a year. I also am not in favior of getting rid of a middle weight. In fact I would like to see us add one somewhere so that we more evenly disperse some of the middle weights.

All I am saying is that we have a responsibility to make sure there is a weight class for almost every boy that is in HS. Of course you will have fewer guys that fall into the weights on each end. If not we ignore the very spirit of the sport. Put 2 men on the mat of similar size and see who is the best.

I am not saying you are wrong. In fact I said in an earlier post that you can add as many middle weights as you would like. All I am saying is wrestling is the one sport where you can still get respect and be small. If you take that away you will have guys that quit wrestling because they are to small. This happens every year in football. Some of Indiana's greatest wrestlers started out at 98 or 103. I wounder how many NCAA champions at 126 wrestled at least 2 years at 103? I don't think I would mind if this was the first time they raised the lowest weight. This is the second time. It will be 8 lbs higher than where we started. The next it will be more.

Because the 103 lbs freshman is better than everyone else in the school that is his size. The 145 freshman that is better than everyone else his size can do the same. 1) Mitch Slega 3rd in state as freshman 185 2) Auston Neighbarger State placer as a freshman 152 3) Vincent Corsaro State placer 135 I am sure there are many others that make their varsity team and don't make it to State. In your opinion what weight does real wrestling began?

For me it not about going from 103-106. Its about pushing out the smaller wrestlers. We already went from 98-103. Now we are going up again. At some point that has to stop. You of all people should understand that being small does not make you insignificant. I suppose if you want you can have a JV only weight around 100. That way these guys are not wresting much bigger guys. By the way. Many of your top Senior 125-135 pounders were around 100 as freshman.

Yes I do have someone that will more than likely wrestle the lightest weight next year. But the fact is there are several very good wrestlers that are down very close or under 103. If you take away that weight they will have no place to go. There only choice would be to wrestle bigger kids. Everyone else will at least have to option of going up or down. As far as size not being the biggest factor in other major sports you are dead wrong. The highest level athletes all have the combination of size and speed. Desire is far down on the list. If you think desire is above size. You fall in either 1 of 2 categories. 1) Are a division 1 athlete with great size and speed 2) Never competed against a division 1 athlete with great size and speed.

I think we should add another weight between 215 and 285. That way we can see more stalling calls!

Just because you have some forfeits doesn't mean that the 103 weight class is not needed. You take away wresting for the smaller guys and you will see wresting decline greatly. It is not about moving it from 103 to 106. It is about moving it from 98 to 106. What is next. 110, 115, 120? If your argument is you need to go to the average size of say a Junior. You are going to have to go to 125 or 130. Wresting will become just like every other sport. Where size is the most important factor in success. I don't know about the rest of you guys but I love to watch the 103 class. Action, Action, Action!

Add all the weights you want but 108 is way to high. Just look at the # of state placers at 103 that are under weight or just at weight. We already have several guys taking a red shirt year just to be a lagit. 103.

Darren I truly appreciate your input on this subject. You seem to give equal merit to both the boys apprehension and the girls desire to wrestle. This is something that I respect greatly. In the future I will be encouraging my son to put away his ( I am not sure what the appropriate word is here) I want to use the word respect but that would make it not respectful to wrestle so I will just leave that word out. I will say this to him just like I do every other match. " Start fast, keep the pressure on, make her try and keep-up!

This is where I get out of this conversation. I have way to much respect for the struggles that our civil rights leaders had to go threw to bring them down to this level. P.S. I wrote this comment after the post when I ask the question so just forget that.

Let me ask a question. You are out on the street and some strange guy walks up to you and takes a swing. You kick his butt bad. The police and the media show up. A story is run on the 6:00 news. Who is made out to be the bad guy? Same situation but this time the stranger is a lady. She takes a swing. You kick her butt bad. The police and the media show up. The story is run on the 6:00 news. Who is made out to be the bad guy?

Not even close to the same!!!!!!!!!!!

Talking about this on Dan Patrick show right now

This has nothing to do with overconfident boys. For my son it has to do with how you treat girls. He has 2 younger sisters and I have told him several times that he is to protect his sisters at all cost! He has never once pushed, shoved, or raised a finger in anger at them. Believe me when I say that this takes a great deal of self control. He is also supposed to treat all other girls or women as he does his sisters and mother. This is something that is hard to turn off just because you are on a wrestling mat and I am not sure I want him to. Read the book, Raising a modern day Knight and you may understand a little more where we are coming from. I will also say once again that I feel like this is not the problem of the female wrestler. She has every right to comete in the sport. It is just naive to think that in many cases this make the boy very, very uncomfortable.

Just cut and paste the list and Highlight the HS and put it in Red

Lets do it this way. If you know a kid is not in HS next year take him off the list. If you know where he is going add it to the list. WT - 75 1st Place - Will Egli of Mater Dei 2nd Place - Blake Glogouski of Fairfield JR High 3rd Place - Alec White of Doe Creek Middle School 4th Place - Colton Cummings of Lowell Middle School 5th Place - Drew Hildebrandt of Penn 6th Place - Austen Laughlin of Penn 7th Place - David Clayton of Perry Meridian 8th Place - Chapman Luster of Franklin Central WT - 80 1st Place - Chad Red of Belzer Middle School 2nd Place - Noah Warren of Perry Meridian 3rd Place - Garrett Pepple of Humphrey Wrestling 4th Place - Riley Akers of Region Wrestling Academy 5th Place - Breyden Bailey of Center Grove Middle 6th Place - Skylour Turner of Whiteland 7th Place - Josh Heckathorn of Rochester 8th Place - Dustin Riddle of Carmel USA Wrestling WT - 85 1st Place - Drew Hughes of Lowell Middle School 2nd Place - Brock Hudkins of Contenders 3rd Place - Tyler Ferguson of Reitz Wrestling Club 4th Place - Griffin Schermer of Bloomington South 5th Place - Shane Wilkerson of Franklin Middle School 6th Place - Trevor Gray of Bellmont Middle School 7th Place - Brad Laughlin of Yorktown MS 8th Place - Sage Coy of Muncie PAL WT - 90 1st Place - Jake Tucker of Lowell Middle School 2nd Place - Cael McCormick of Yorktown MS 3rd Place - Clarence Johnson of Nomad Elite 4th Place - Ethan Briggeman of Indy Southside Rebels 5th Place - Brett Johnson of Perry Meridian 6th Place - Alston Bane of Richmond Wrestling 7th Place - Daniel Olsen of Penn 8th Place - Matthew James of Region Wrestling Academy WT - 95 1st Place - Tommy Cash of Doe Creek Middle School 2nd Place - Jason Crary of Region Wrestling Academy 3rd Place - Ryan Ford of State Street 4th Place - Anthony Vaughn of Westside Middle School 5th Place - Jack Chastain [b]Hamilton Southerstern HS[/b] 6th Place - Nathanial Burton of Paoli 7th Place - Adam Oyler of Greendale Middle School 8th Place - Jacob Gray of Delta Middle School WT - 102 1st Place - Nick Lee of Mater Dei 2nd Place - Tanner Shipley of Huntington Co. Wrestling Club 3rd Place - Chase Osborn of Penn 4th Place - Kellen VanCamp of Lebanon Middle School 5th Place - Gaige Torres of Region Wrestling Academy 6th Place - Jay Franko of Penn 7th Place - Chayton Durham of Hoosier Elite 8th Place - Trent Balentine of JYMS Mishawaka WT - 110 1st Place - Darden Schurg of Region Wrestling Academy 2nd Place - Blake Rypel of Belzer Middle School 3rd Place - Benjamin Harvey of Doe Creek Middle School 4th Place - Sawyer Miller of Humphrey Wrestling 5th Place - Blake Jourdan of Mater Dei 6th Place - Hunter Fox of Contenders 7th Place - Elijah Dunn of Hoosier Elite 8th Place - Jacob Krause of One on One Wrestling Club WT - 117 1st Place - Bailey Lahue of Corydon Wrestling 2nd Place - Joey Mammolenti of Grissom Middle School 3rd Place - Jose Champagne of Lowell Middle School 4th Place - Devin Childers of Tippy Valley 5th Place - Ngun Uk of Perry Meridian 6th Place - Garrett Milner of Perry Meridian 7th Place - Brendon Helm of Avon MS 8th Place - Jerry Heckathorn of Rochester WT - 125 1st Place - Tommy Forte of JYMS Mishawaka 2nd Place - Big Ben Stewart of CGMSN Wrestling 3rd Place - Josh Stewart of KINGDOM WRESTLING 4th Place - Brian Haas of St. Simon 5th Place - Austin Smith of Lebanon Middle School 6th Place - Titus Twine of Richmond Wrestling 7th Place - Brayton Shannon of Mt. Vernon 8th Place - Seth Orth of Mater Dei WT - 132 1st Place - Evan Smiley of CIA 2nd Place - Dax Jones of Region Wrestling Academy 3rd Place - Gabriel Koontz of Edgewood Junior High 4th Place - Kaleb Summers of Indiana West Side Middle School 5th Place - Nicholas Brickens of Doe Creek Middle School 6th Place - Dylan Lydy of Indy West Giants 7th Place - Jesse Contreras of Perry Meridian 8th Place - Randy Scott of Mooresville WT - 140 1st Place - Isaiah Kemper of ECWA 2nd Place - Conner James of Center Grove 3rd Place - Sam Bassemier of Mater Dei 4th Place - Derek Noon of Southmont 5th Place - Chase Redding of Cathedral Fighting Irish 6th Place - Brett Kempf of Team Jeff 7th Place - Kodie Christenson of Region Wrestling Academy 8th Place - Hunter Dalton of Cougars WT - 150 1st Place - Jacob Stevenson of Franklin Community MS 2nd Place - Noah Schrader of St. Pius X 3rd Place - Kyle Treber of Penn 4th Place - Kyle Shaffer of Owen County Cyclones 5th Place - Kayne Duncan of Carroll MS 6th Place - Brett Baker of Bellmont Middle School 7th Place - Travis Gooding of Pendleton Heights MS 8th Place - Lucas Frick of Sunman Dearborn Trojans WT - 160 1st Place - Scottie Sopko of Region Wrestling Academy 2nd Place - Corey Hinkle of Western 3rd Place - Gabe Estes of Mt. Vernon 4th Place - Zach Box of Jennings County MS 5th Place - Dalton Clark of Boiler Elite 6th Place - Derek Weldy of Northwood 7th Place - Dakota Burge of Hamilton Southeastern HS 8th Place - Jason Moran of Franklin Community MS WT - 175 1st Place - Robert Steveson II of Nomad Elite 2nd Place - Johnson Korvah of Perry Meridian 3rd Place - Wesley Beck of Tippy Valley 4th Place - Alex Ragains of Frankfort Middle School 5th Place - Aaren Bandy of Belzer Middle School 6th Place - Seth Meyer of Boiler Elite 7th Place - Jacob Stark of Carmel USA Wrestling 8th Place - Jacob Cavins of Milan Middle School WT - 195 1st Place - Mason Morningstar of State Street 2nd Place - Quinn York of Franklin Community MS 3rd Place - Chance Herald of Perry Meridian 4th Place - Hunter Estes of Northeastern 5th Place - Mike Manchester of Clinton Central 6th Place - Morgan Kral of Region Wrestling Academy 7th Place - Ben Tasseff of Perry meridian 8th Place - Mason Rapp of Mt. Vernon WT - 220 1st Place - Sam Steward of Lowell Middle School 2nd Place - Dallas Lawson of Franklin Community MS 3rd Place - Mitchell Kessler of Christ the King School 4th Place - Dante` Graham of Western 5th Place - Jimmy Montgomery of Perry Meridian 6th Place - Montana Brees of delta Middle School 7th Place - Nazaret Nalbandian of Avon MS 8th Place - Theodore Boeglin of Jasper WT - 275 1st Place - Shawn Streck of Merrillville Wrestling Club 2nd Place - Anthony Jackson of Unattched 3rd Place - Trevor Howard of Indiana School for the Deaf 4th Place - Austin Lawson of Franklin Community MS 5th Place - Dylan Buckingham of South Dearborn 6th Place - Daniel Gaiter of Perry Meridian 7th Place - Luke Anderson of Delta Middle School

My son had to wrestle 1 girl in his career. After that my wife said he will never do that again. He has sense forfeited a few matches. I am not sure what we would do if this would happen at at State. All I know is that it makes us extremely uncomfortable. With that said I would never take away a girls right to compete. It is our problem not theirs.