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Crawford County!
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I so appreciate all the suggestions, I guess here is what I want. My kid isn't a "Big Boy" He is @ 140, but is fairly average in height and uses upper body strength for most of his success. Leg riding isn't his thing and there really aren't any year round wrestling schools here within an hour drive of us. The middle school team he is on has no competetion for him, he won't get pushed much in middle school season next year either. The problem comes in when we do ISWA tournaments, he just can't seem to crack that top 3 in the state tournaments (Folkstyle, Freestyle, Greco) He wins most of the local ISWA stuff, Most but not all. I guess what I'm asking is what would you all recommend? Find a high school kid to work with him? Drive an hour and a half 1 way 2 times a week to get him in a great club? He has an extraordinary work ethic, on the mat 3 or 4 days a week, in the gym 3 or 4 days also, the kid wants it bad and I feel like he's doing everything he can to make it happen, and at this point, his getting to the next level kind of depends on the opportunities I can get him. There are very few State champs that have come from our area here in the last 15 years and the normal wrestling routine that all the high schoolers go through here just isn't getting it done. We don't have the CIA's and Regions, and Red Cobra's here, I want someone to watch him and say "Based on how you wrestle, this is what you will be most proficient with, and let's get you good at that cheap tilt, and Turk and maybe Cradles." I just want to give him the best opportunities I can, just not sure how to proceed. Doing the local club and going to camps in the summer just doesn't seem to be an equal to a great training partner and great competition. Thanks again!
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I appreciate you all responding and I don't disagree with you on the whole sponge huge knowledge base thing. What I see so much though is the guy that's a novice or a schoolboy and winning Nationals and State usually, not always, either a) has a father for a coach or works in a year round wrestling school with a great coaching staff. That being said, when you look at the guys in high school that are State champs and even some of those younger guys, they always have that go to takedown or that tilt, or that cradle, those 2 or 3 moves that the are great with. At what point should they start to develop those favorite moves to perfect? Without great kids on their team and in their weight class in shool to push them, the disadvantage is already there.
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Hi, I have a question for all the coaches out there. I was never a wrestler, played Baseball, Basketball and Track, but I'm having a hard time understanding some of the coaching methods used by alot of wrestling coaches. My son is not a state champ, he is however top 10 or better in the state at his age group, and he is currently a middle school wrestler. My question is, are their coaches out there who teach a kid moves to specialize in based on what his body type and wrestling style best suits him? I know in other sports you train a pitcher as a pitcher and a catcher as a catcher, and a center as a center. Mostly what I see is coaches showing some really good moves but not necessarily something that will work for my son. When I ask what I need to do to push him in the right direction and what we need to do to get him specialized in 4 or 5 moves that fit his style, I always get, "Mat time or it will fall in to place with maturity" Is this just normal or is it wrong to want someone to work with him on moves specific to him? Not being critical, we have wonderful coaches, just wanting some clarity! What I'm referring to specifically is, leg riding just seems a waste for a short stocky kid as does a cross body ride! Certain moves just flow and work better for certain body types and styles of wrestling.
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I bet that ref was in his 70's gray hair, and the winning kid was probably from Red Cobra Wrestling! Hmmmmmm.......
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I assume your experience was 100% different. Great experience, great tourney huh?
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Oh please! Just out of common courtesy, I determined it by the ones I came in contact with! I apologize to 120 per say teams that I did not have direct contact with. Happy Mr. Rogers?
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Are you for real? Wow! If you took offense and thought it pertained to you then maybe it did! If you have no reason to feel you or your team could have possibly offended anyone then why would you ask that?
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Wow, guess you lose enough business and p*** off enough people things may change. Might be different if this was the 1st year this happened.
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I believe you should respond to things that are your business and stay out of things which are not! Did someone appoint a forum guard? If I singled out anyone in a comment I must have missed that because I do not believe I did. I stand by what I said and I see the moderators must find censorship quite a rewarding thing when it appeases you huh? If you people took the time to work on the honor system and horrible tournaments as much like to correct your loyal subjects here maybe we wouldn't have a "NATIONAL" tournament of such low standards and ran so poorly! Nor do I care if you have an opinion about my comments.
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I have to say that this was by far the worst run tournament I have yet to go to! We were bounced from gym to gym, no one knew the match numbers, awards were only given down to sixth place, Why would you not award a wrestler that placed in a "national" event? The official were so biased toward the Red Cobra wrestlers it was sickening! After seeing the fit that Chad Red threw at the end of the tourney I am not surprised. To each his own but I for one will never go back to that tournament! Truly a lack of class all around.
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Purler or Granby are excellent camps! Depends on what he wants to learn. Leg riding, takedowns, a system like Purler or Granby. There are alot of great camps out there, My son is in a similar spot, we're doing Purler this year, small camp size (45 wrestlers) and they drill wrestling, not push-ups, sit-ups and running! What I've found is, go to the best camps you can, but make sure you're on the mat with top notch competition. Wrestling great wrestlers will do wonders for him! Just my 2 cents. Also Chertow camps are really good from what I hear!
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Bailey is one of the best wrestlers to come out of our area of Southern Indiana in years. He deserves all the praise as he has done the work, his record speaks for itself, and he is a very nice young man. Forgive any over-dramatization, it's not very often we get a freshman of his caliber. Good luck Bailey, all of us are behind you!
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Well maybe we could just give out candy bars, they take even less room and after you eat them they take up no room. That would be even better huh?
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And then after working so hard in middle school, they get to high school sectionals and they get a ribbon and the cardboard brackets if they win! And to top it off, they want to ban giving them the brackets? Is it just me or is this just wrong?
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What boys? And yes I always find it hard to believe that the only tourney the kids get trophies is Indy Nationals? Why is it all they end up with is a drawer full of cheap cheesy medals after years of hard work? Hate it for the kids! Seems like someone would have done something about this by now.
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Do you have any kind of training camps through the summer?
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Had to close out trackwrestling and open it back up, then the brackets worked.
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Having a problem here too, must be an issue on their end. Hopefully it will be back up real soon.
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125 - Blake Jourdan (Mater Dei) or Ethan Runyan 132- Bryce Baumgartner (Bellmont Mid) 140 - Blake Rypel (Red Cobra/ Belz) Any predictions for 110 and 117?
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http://www.twnode6.com/opentournaments/MainFrame.jsp?sport=wrestling&TIM=1328881084623&pageName=&ie=false&frameSize=951 Brackets are posted!
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So, 30 minutes before they wrestle?
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What are you talking about?
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Who are some of the top incoming freshmen and what weight?
812Fan replied to BlackshirtD's topic in Past Discussions
He has to get by Jacob Gray and Nathan Walton first!