SlickRodz

No, because if a wrestler goes on vacation with family he is excluded from participation at a national level. Most other states have NO requirement to wrestle at the Nationals. We are keeping our wrestlers from national competition.

If a wrestler is sick...what is the proceedure.

And yet another reason Indiana wrestling is archeic. Choose between paying ISWA and missing a family vacation, or miss nationals. Yes it is a choice, a really really bad one!

It is bad enough to miss state, but worse to miss nationals because of missing state,

Is spring break a school conflict?

Our spring break start on Friday. About half of our wrestlers will be gone with family, happens every year. What is the procedure to get a waiver to wrestle at the Folkstyle Nationals if you can't wrestle at State? Indiana is the only state that does this. It has been said that the waivers will be approved.

I would like to see a change. The upper weight classes have an extremely large jump from class to class. 171 to 189 (18lbs) and 189 to 215 (26lbs) is too much. All of the changes allow for an additional class to close these gaps. I would prefer the option that starts at 106lbs. This is less drastic for the lower weights.

Now 62 pages in and I don't believe there has been a convert to either side.

No, just poor wording.

Not really that hard to justify. Think of it like a lob. Wrestlers and Coaches are competitive. The want themselves to be in the best situation possible. Small school = small paychecks (usually) Bigger school bigger paycheck (usually) For coaches who see themselves in the employment of the school systems (teaches who coach this matters) Smaller school = less chance of short term success, hard but a fact Smaller school = harder work Smaller School = weaker facilities Smaller School = smaller towns vs larger cities, with young coaches this matter a lot Most young coaches starting out see themselves at the pinnacle of Coaching someday (I would hope). What is the Pinnacle? That is an individual decision. But for most Coaches it does not include a small High School. Bloomington South is very lucky in that a legend in the Wrestling Community joined the teaching staff at South Last year. Dave Grossman (South grad) is a world redound trainer and has been not only at some very fine Universities over his career but has been the head trainer at the US Olympic training center in Colorado and head trainer for the past 3 Olympic wrestling teams. He decided to "give back" to the sport he loved and is now heavily involved with South Wrestling. Sometime late in their careers Great Coaches do the same thing for small schools. When they do there is usually success/.

I want to get into the "works hard" label. What exactly are we talking about? The kids working hard in practice, the staff working hard inside and outside of practice, the support group (parents and legends (X-wrestlers)? What ? 1.) Every successful wrestling program in the state works hard. Period, if they did not they would not be successful. They work hard in all aspects. 2.) Every program that works hard WILL BE SUCCESSFUL. Period. It is the measurement of that success that is in question. 3.) Hard work is not enough, it takes experience and relationships to be successful. A coach, regardless of school size MUST understand: Recruiting from within- getting athletes to come out for wrestling Relationships with Coaches from within - example football coach to encourage dual sport participation Relationships with Coaches outside - successful programs need tough competition, can be difficult to schedule Relationships with teachers - to foresee problems before they arise Relationships with community - community support is required for building youth program (see Jeffersonville, best in the State) Organizational skills - mandatory for building parent support group, parent support group is a major part of success Psychology of youth- Wrestlers are teenagers and teenagers have problems that a coach MUST be involved with And when all of these are in place and working like a well oiled machine your program will be successful. The big question is how do we measure success. That is where the current discussion leads us. In my opinion schools with a lack success (large or small) usually (not always) fail somewhere in the number 3 above. It is not due to a lack of effort or HARD WORK but a lack of knowledge or experience. Small schools usually have the most inexperienced Coaches and that leads to lack of success. That said, if everything was equal and all Coaches knew everything equally school size would still matter. Less athletes = less in room = less success. But where do we draw the line. Bloomington South has 1745 students and we compete in classed sports with schools that have 1000-1200 more than us. Fair....not on paper but that is the facts. Even if we classed (3 classes)wrestling there would still be a huge disparity in school attendance. We would have to make 10 classes to be truly equal. Is that what the class wrestling folks want.

While we are talking weight class changes. What is the process, who makes the decision and when can we expect to see the actual change announced? Thanks

Why-Class Wrestling, my whole point! Class wrestling made the better wrestler sit the bench. Can't happen in Indiana! Well it can but much less likely!

Lets see, AAU Nationals, college recruiters everywhere, One guy wrestles the other is an alternate....who the hell do you think gets the looks? By the way the looks are second to me. He deserved the right to represent his state and class wrestling took that away! Don't know on Tennis, have to talk to my daughter tonight. Said I might be wrong.

I am pretty passionately against class and I want to share a story as to why. In 2008 I was at the AAU Nationals, Disney Duals Tourney in FL. Ohio had two teams. Both were made up of State Champions and runners up from two of the Ohio Divisions. My son wrestled 171 lbs for Hoosier Elite and we were in the All-star division. During the week my son made friends with an alternate from the Larger school division that he had wrestled the year before in Iowa (folk style Nationals). Turns out he was an alternate to the State Champion. Here is the punch-line. The varsity 171lb wrestler for the tier two team had lost to this wrestler more than 10 times in the past 6-7 years. Yet due to class-wrestling he got the first spot, and probably the majority of the recruiting looks. The best wrestler should be the best wrestler....not sort of!

I said it works. Didn't say it works the best. Your question was why don't they change back. They find it workable. Ours is best.

All give you that one, he is a convert. Now its' 8 (for) and 484,876 (against) class wrestling.

Because the system works. It is a system they chose it and it works. This does not mean that un-classed works any better or worse. It Ford vs GM. It's a preference.

My Granny (from a small town) used to say "if every boy in town jumped off a bridge, does that mean you should". Its' not every state and we should learn from their mistakes.

Because when money and politics are involved you cannot say its about money and politics. Since they were classing it it made sence to do it along competitive lines. Can't compare Basketball, this is INDIANA and Basketball is not a sport....it is religion!

Do you really believe that Class Sports were instituted to level the playing field for competitive purposes? I don't think that is a top 5 reason.

Maybe girls are different or maybe I am wrong.

My daughter is a Senior so at least 4 years.

Which one are not classes. Tennis is!

More than one sure, but not 4 or five!