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thanks it was fun

Forgot to bold a couple -- MacMurray @ 160,  Duckworth @ 171

Expand the "Regionals" section here and you can see the results of each regional feeding your semistate of choice, including the order of finish.

http://www.ihsaa.org/dnn/Sports/Boys/Wrestling/200910/IndividualStateTournament/tabid/754/Default.aspx

NEW CASTLE

103 - Levi Moss (2)

112 - Brian Harvey (2)

119 - Thien Tran (3)

125 - Brandon Wright (3)

130 - Connor Mullins (1)

135 - Josh Williams (2)

140 - Kirk Johnson (1)

145 - Montrail Johnson (1)

152 - Austin Neibarger (3)

160 - Jeremiah Oliver (1)

171 - Mike Smith (2)

189 - Andre Richards (2)

215 - Kyle Smitherman (4)

285 - Dylan McBride (1)

i assume there will be one winner named for each semi state since the likelihood of a 4 over 1 is different from semi-state to semi-state?  that would seem to make the most sense, and if so, i'm in!  this sounds like great fun

Sure, might as well have one winner per semistate, and can see who has the overall best points too.

Someone probably more numerically-inclined than me will be able to figure out (after the semistates are done) what would have been the best possible combination of picks from each semistate.

Hopefully this will be a pretty simple way to have a fun pick'em contest for the semistate competitions this weekend.  Here are the rules:

1.  Each entry should choose ONE semistate.  If you want to do more than one semistate, that's fine do a second/third/fourth entry

2.  For your entry, you are going to choose ONE (1) wrestler from EACH WEIGHT CLASS at your chosen semistate

3.  Your goal is not to pick the overall winner, but simply to choose a wrestler who will advance to State

4.  Now here's the "tricky" part.  Each wrestler is a #1 - #4 seed coming into semistate, depending on their Regional finish.  If you choose a #1 seed and they advance, you get ONE (1) point for that pick.  If you choose a #4 seed and they advance, you get 4 points.  So you can go with the "sure thing" and get 1 point, or take a risk and get 2, 3, or 4 points if it pays off.

5.  Highest total points for an entry (remember that's ONE semistate) is the winner.  If your choice does not advance you get 0 points for that weight class.

Since it's going to be hard enough to figure all this out, please include the seed of each of your picks in your entry, such as:

Merrillville Semistate:

103 - Brooks (1)

112 - Ayresman (1)

119 - Hawkins (2)

125 - Camacho (4)

...

....  etc.

LINK TO SEMISTATE BRACKETS:  http://www.indianamat.com/2010-ihsaa-semi-state-brackets/2010/02/

TO DETERMINE WHAT SEED THE WRESTLERS ARE AT YOUR SEMISTATE:

Expand the "Regionals" section here and you can see the results of each regional feeding your semistate of choice, including the order of finish.  Remember that at semistate, it's always a #1 seed versus a #4 seed in the first round, and a #2 seed versus a #3 seed.

http://www.ihsaa.org/dnn/Sports/Boys/Wrestling/200910/IndividualStateTournament/tabid/754/Default.aspx

Maybe an old hangar/warehouse at Crane Naval Base could be customized to host the semistate

Are there any venues around the Jeffersonville/New Albany area that could work?

I vote for under the dome at West Baden! 

One thing you're going to need to consider -- this seating capacity is what each gym can hold with all bleachers fully extended.

Some of these might lose some capacity if they needed to fit 4 or more full wrestling mats on the gym floor.

Amen!

That is fantastic news.  I'm sure all these young men wanted was their shot to advance, and now it sounds like they shall have it.

Thank goodness all this mess can hopefully be put behind, and won't leave a dark cloud over this year's tournament.  A big THANK YOU to all of the people involved in getting these additional matches agreed to and setup.

Who says he wont?

Yes, you are right for sure.  Wright battled Eppert back and forth last year too, right?  I just didnt' expect anyone to beat Wright this year, that was what surprised me.  I wish them both luck.

Justin Kieffer over Brandon Wright 9-3!

This one has floored me!  I was expecting Wright to win the entire tourney this year.  FANTASTIC job by young Kieffer, what an achievement!

You think some of the places in Indiana have tight quarters... Well, our first leg of the Florida HS state tourney is cramming 9 teams into a SMALL gym, with one set of bleechers (8 seats deep) for both contestants and spectators!!!!

Sounsd like some of the best wrestling that takes place there today may be people contesting for the bleacher seats.

Kudos to the people involved for having the sense to put the safety of the kids and their families first.

This is insane, these schools under the snow emergency should have made the call hours ago to postpone these things.  What happens when the regional begins and there are kids not there due to the weather?  Do they have to take a forfeit and see their season, maybe their senior year, go down the tubes through no fault of their own?

Now, it's pretty much too late to cancel them.  My guess is they're going to have to delay the start until further this afternoon so the wrestlers can trickle in.

Channel 8 news out of Indianapolis had a report on this morning.  First, they played a recorded cell phone conversation they had with a motorist last night who was stranded on a section of Highway 37 near Elwood -- he said there was a mile-long line of cars, all stranded by drifted road.  Even the snow plows were stuck.  Then (and this was 8am) they reported that they had received word that the motorist was STILL there in his car this morning, and they were going to talk to him shortly.  My guess is that if there are wrestlers from that area trying to make their way anywhere very far, they are really screwed.

Great job, can't believe you didn't slip the class discussion in there!

By the way, it's "Commissioner" -- no 'H' in it.

We have a great group of kids right now.  I happened to come along at a good time where there were some dedicated kids.  Some even play spring sports and come up to club after a meet/game or practice.  I wish they all were dedicated like that, but I do not blame them for going home after practice and doing homework. 

 

What class would do for our program is stabilize it for the future.  Our basketball program has won two straight sectional titles in a weak sectional.  If the basketball coach and I are trying to entice a kid to play our sport, he will win.  He will say, "we have won two sectional championships."  I will say "well we get a couple kids to state."  If that kid isn't an all-star wrestler he is going to be lured towards basketball more times than not.  Also with more success, we keep the JV kids out for the team.  Everyone likes to be on a winning team.  The mentality at Garrett and other small schools seems to be if you are not varsity there is no point to being on the team.  Before you say it, yes we have greatly increased our JV matches and still get the same attitude.  The kids will be more apt to ride the pine so to speak for two years like they do in football for their chance at varsity.  Just an example, we finished last year around 25 kids, which is great for us.  We lost four to graduation, so had 21 kids returning.  So if you add in the 8 or 9 freshmen, we should have had about 30 kids on the team this year.  We finished with 19.  We had about 7 kids not come out that were JV last year and most likely JV again this year.  Of course they say they will come out next year when they feel like they'll be varsity, but ride the pine in football.

 

So to sum it up, it would help sustain us as a good program for more than just a couple years.   

Thanks for both examples. it has been a good discussion withyou.  Wahoo for you!  Best of luck with your wrestling team coach.

Joe, since you are living this reality, let's use Garrett as an example.

If there was a classed system this year, and your team advanced pretty far in the tournament, say Semi-state or even state.  You also had several wrestlers who advanced to the Class 2A state meet.

What does this do for your program?  Based on what you said earlier, I'm assuming that there aren't many untapped wrestling studs at your school who aren't already playing another sport.  For those kids on your team who have a good potential, would they begin going to more of the additional training opportunities, or will they be playing spring soccer/baseball and fall baseball/football/soccer?

I think the real-world example would really help me to see the light.

I have seen LaVille kids up at Mishawaka, but most of them probably play baseball, run track or play golf in the spring because those sports need athletes too right?  At small schools the pool of athletes is very limited.  Those athletes must be shared amongst the coaches or the whole athletic program suffers.  Sure the wrestling team might have a state medalist, but the football team would lose out on a two-way starter or the track team might lose out on someone that can do well in three events.  At Mishawaka and Penn, they have those athletes, but guess what, if they aren't in the room in the spring, their backup is and he is getting better at wrestling.   

I can definitely buy that argument!

So, given that -- what is the class wrestling tournament accomplishing?  Based on what you're saying here, it doesn't sound as if there is a huge untapped pool of talent at these schools that would come out if the team was winning Class 2A Regionals or whatever it would be called.

And the kids that are at the small schools may not see a tremendous improvement or increase in dedication to the sport either, because they are already stretched pretty thin.

All I am left with is the objective to recognize the athletes at these schools who have chosen to possibly play multiple sports.

You're slowly winning me over with some pretty good arguments, but I'm still on the side of the one-class system so far.  But a good debate!

I see too many small school programs struggling right now.  Too many small schools are struggling to fill full squads right now and on top of that struggling to keep a decent amount of JV kids on their team.   Class wrestling will give these kids a level playing field instead of having to go up against the big dogs year in year out.  Think of if you are a small school in Penn and Mishawaka's sectional.  What would it honestly take for a 2A or smaller school to win that sectional?  What would it take for them to qualify 7 kids for regional?  Mishawaka and Penn accounted for 27 of the 56 regional qualifiers in that sectional.  How do you build a program when you are continually trounced, even though you are competitive within your conference?

 

Laville a school of 383 students is in that sectional and qualified zero kids for regional.  They finished in the top half of their conference and a school in the adjacent sectional that they beat at conference qualified 7 kids for regional.  How is LaVille going to get better when they have to go through six 4A and 5A schools? 

Do the Laville kids attend offseason wrestling training?  Do they go to wrestling camps?  Can they go to open wrestling rooms at Mishawaka and Penn in the offseason to get good competition?  Do they participate in any ISWA meets?

I "think* that the only advantage Mishawaka and Penn wrestlers have over their Laville peers is what happens in the Mishawaka and Penn wrestling room during the season (unless I'm wrong and they run a closed room in offseason).

Mishawaka is only one school.  In the individual tournament, four spots get to go on to Regionals.  So if you concede that Laville has no hope against a Mishawaka wrester, ever, then they still are battling for one of 3 spots to move on.

This argument (on an individual basis, not team) sounds like Laville individual wrestlers are simply not at the same level as others at their sectional tournament, so you woudl like to lower the bar until there is a point where they will be good enough to advance.

P.S.  please keep in mind, Laville here is only being used as an example -- I don't any kids on their team and I am not saying they are poor wrestlers, please do not take this personally, you can replace the "Laville" name with any other small school perhaps.

This is on the IHSAA website:   :

 

10. Pendleton Heights, PPD to 11 am

 

Can't believe the "threat"  of  7 inches of snow has postponed it already.  Expecting 7 inches of snow around here usually ends up being 3.  Either one being fine for getting around.   ???

Even if they only end up with 3 inches, seems like a 2-hour delay won't be a major inconvenience for people, tourney shoudl still end plenty early, and best of all -- the high schoolers get to SLEEP IN!