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Not sure anybody is a 100% guaranteed lock this year.  Maybe Alred and South?  Seems just about all the top ranked kids have had some close matches.  Not sure there is anybody I would feel comfortable laying a large amount of money on at this point.

1 hour ago, PhillyFanMD said:

Boarman ranked ahead of Littell at SS but not entire state?

Better not question the rankings.

1 hour ago, SWINfan said:

I'll take a stab at predictions....   Even with a few wrong, I'd be surprised to see it go any worse for Purdue than 6 matches to 4. 

Please note, I am typically not very good so if you are laying money somewhere, take the opposite of many of my picks and you should be just fine!

Predicted winners in bold inside the quote.

If anybody is laying money on the Purdue/IU dual, they have a serious problem.

Not sure if MD can get all 14 into the finals.  I think 106-170 are locks to make it, and probably pretty safe to call locks to win.  182 can make it.  I think it would be an upset if the other 3 weights did.  I predict 10 champs, 1 runner up and 3 thirds.

1 hour ago, SWINfan said:

I actually get what you were asking and didn't take it as a shot at Baumann or IndianaMat.  But I don't pay too much attention to posting patterns so I don't question Y2's response (call me Switzerland?).  

It is very odd that a JV wrestler gets so much credit, but Baumann has earned it.  He performed in Michigan and despite going 1-3 last weekend, showed his future is bright.  I mean how many guys get the privilege of stepping up and facing the #s 1,2, and 3 ranked guys in the state in a matter of hours in the same day?  

Perhaps the question could have been asked differently?  I know Doug Annakin would have done so! 

I’m glad somebody understood my point. In hindsight I shouldn’t have mentioned names. Kid is a fantastic wrestler. 

Nope, not a state champ here. Just a fan and a guy that likes to bust chops, as Mattyb says. All in good fun, but I guess I should be careful with other people’s sensitivities. 

2 hours ago, Y2CJ41 said:

Dear Mr. Sandwell,

I appreciate your genuine concern or most likely your attempt to degrade everything IndianaMat does. Please keep it up as you seem to really love to complain. When you start your own website I will gladly come on and complain about font sizes and why you have things certain ways.

 

Let me be very clear here.  I think Brody Bauman is a fantastic wrestler and I meant no disrespect to him.  I agree that he would be a starter on just about any team in the state.  I was just wondering if wind over non-starters are now being considered for the rankings. 

As far as being called out and identified, it is what it is. If it makes Y2 feel good to do that so be it. 

Again, if offense was taken, my apologies. It was just something that struck me as odd. 

No, he’s a freshman

Dickens is not undefeated. He lost in Michigan. 

Just curious why wins over Brody Bauman are being considered as significant wins at 113.  I know he a very good wrestler has a lot of credentials, etc. but just seems weird that a win over a junior varsity wrestler is considered significant. 

Pretty sure the old teams state was one and done if you lost.

21 hours ago, Wrestling Scholar said:

Most parents would be disappointed, and I totally agree with DecBell on this one.  It would discourage teams to just participate in Team State if they only have a 2 match guarantee.  I think it discourages teams currently from getting a 3 match guarantee. 

  Its comes off as arrogant and elitist to only have the top teams advance, because everybody knows the top teams who will likely win  because  wrestling is pretty damn predictable ,  especially when you have Maligned applying his logarithims to it.  And its going to be the same blue blood teams who get all the coverage anyway.    So the Brownsburgs, Avons, Cathedrals, WCs, EMDs and PMs  get their press and coverage and limelight, and they dont want those other teams, that are not as well known,  taking a little bit of the attention and lime light.   KIeep in minds,  theres different expectations out their for every team in the state.

News for you MattyB,  there's  a bigger wrestling world out there.   There's programs due to the socio- economic status,  will not ever be a tier 1 team.   But these programs have goals that are different than Avon's and Brownsbug's.   These programs love taking their long shot at the big teams,  but they know the odds are stacked against them.     But they also know that,  maybe placing top 8 or top 10 or even winning a match at team state would be big deal.  Maybe they cant beat a top 5 team,  but they have a legit shot against a top 20 team.   And when you funnel down the bracket,  the matches at the top get competitive, the 7th and 8th place match is also just as competitive and 11th and 12th place could be a dynamite dual as DecBell mentioned.     It comes down to expectations,   it would be a big downer for Avon to wrestle in the 11th place match if that happened.   But, for a team that gets that rare shot to qualify for state,  they want to enjoy that moment as much as they can and prove that they can wrestle.   Besides,  if it was any other weekend,  having two top 20 wrestle would be a big thing.

Last year, my sons former high school team  made it to team state.  They normally don't go and they new they had a 0% chance of winning it as they were unseeded.  But they got there and enjoyed the 3 matches and actually won one,  and were really disappointed they didn't get their 4th match.  They brought a big crowd and got hotel rooms in FW and were into it.  And most of  all, they were  extremely disappointed at not getting a  shot  at wrestling a team in their bracket  affiliated with an administrator on Indianamat that had made some  funny and extremely colorful posts about them on Indianamat.    They could  of had  a shot if they would wrestled the 11th or 9th  place match,  and it would of been a great matchup and very good dual (IMO).

 

 

 

 

Why are we lumping Avon in with schools that have actually won state championships?

6 hours ago, SWINfan said:

Things didn't go Mater Dei's way this weekend, but I don't think it's fair to be disappointed and they have holes that were known about going in.  In the WC match, they had two big swings....   The first was when they inserted Fitts at 152 and bumped Dickens up to 160.  The DQ by Fitts gave WC 6 pts (1 later deducted) and cost MD the 3 team points gained from Matt Lee's match.  That's an 8 pt swing and could have been an 11 pt swing had Fitts come back to win.  He was only down 2-0 and had ridden Coleman the whole 2nd period.  Not only was that a huge swing, but it seemed to take the wind out of their sails somewhat.  

The other was the Baumann - Pierson match.  They were locked in a tight battle tied at 2 and Baumann was holding his own and attacking more.  Pierson caught him and flipped him to his back when they were tied up, giving WC a 6 pt win.  Pierson did the same to Cole Ross last year at State on Friday night.  Kudos to him for great moves.  But I wouldn't bet on it happening to either guy again.  So in a match MD had a solid chance at winning or at the least losing a decision, it turned into a -6.  I get it.  You have to wrestle all three periods and that's why we wrestle the actual matches because these things happen.  But those were two momentum swings that could have easily gone MD's way and the whole outcome could have changed.

MD's biggest issue is with their upper weights.  They are simply outmanned from 195-285 and at times at 182 as well.  From 182-220, all of these guMys could qualify to wrestle at least one class down.  I believed their 220 in Michigan weighed in at 192.  They just aren't able to hold up to the pounding from the bigger guys even when they are able to put up a good fight.  I believe their experience level is very low as well.  Not an excuse, but it is what it is, and you know that going in.  Personally, I felt like their #2 ranking was a bit high due to just that.  But they have some studs and are deep.  

Alec Freeman went 4-0 on the day beating 2 ranked wrestlers #s 4 & 9
Brody Baumann, their JV (albeit he's very good) got indoctrinated facing the #s 1, 2 & 3 ranked wrestlers. Not sure on the health of Cole Ross and when he is expected back.
Blake Boarman goes 4-0
The Egli brothers went a combined 3-5, losing all 5 to ranked wrestlers.  
Blaine Mayer won 3 of 4, losing only a 5-3 decision in a match he had to have a fall for his team to win.
Matt Lee goes 4-0 beating #s 3 & 5
Eli Dickens goes 4-0 and beats #1 Rodgers
Macartney Parkinson went 4-0 with 3 falls and a win over higher ranked Logan Hart.

There was a lot of good for the Wildcats this weekend.  Just not enough to overcome the swings against WC to get to the final.
 

 

and to add, both kids that MD has had wrestling 220 this year are freshman.  A couple of freshman that don't even weigh 200 lbs wrestling 220 and the outcome of their matches is really no surprise.

you may be right.  Who knows?  I guess we will see come the end of February.

MD has 2 possible champs in Boarman and Lee.  I'll throw Dickens in there as well with the way he has been wrestling.  3 legit shots and champions and then likely placers at 106 and 113.  126, 132 and 170 are strong contenders to place as well.  We'll see how it ends up.

I don't think 285 is wide open.  I think it is Gable's to lose at this point.  Spots 2-8 may be wide open though.

I get that, and if he were healthy and wrestling I would agree with him being #1.  It just has never made sense to me to have somebody in any type of ranking that is not competing for whatever reason.

Pokorney is not wrestling this season, correct?  Not sure I would include him since he is out.

60% of the time it works every time.

25 minutes ago, 84headhunter said:

Littell > Boarman by dec. or major. Littell is a little man

No way does Boarman get majored.

12 hours ago, hook and half said:

I'm calling BS on this.  Mike Goebel is not one to provide bulletin board material.

It's not like he was saying this to the media.  Plenty of things were said in the wrestling room to motivate that were not in media, thus they were not bulletin board material for other teams.

8 hours ago, IndianaWrestlingGuy said:

Has Mater Dei ever faced a Top 5 Indiana team at home? 

Yes.  One that sticks out was back in the days of the old Indiana's Best, Lawrence North came down and lost.  That was 1993.  We had gone to LN the previous 2 seasons for Indiana's Best (along with Franklin County and Muncie South).  Lost to LN 27-21 in 1991 and beat LN 27-21 in 1992.  Went up and beat Cathedral a week later in 1992 as well.  I know Central, Reitz and Castle have had some highly ranked teams over the years.  It's always been hard getting teams to make the trip south, so we always went North.

Or you could simply answer his question. 

I'm guessing Father Ryan will be middle of the pack.  I see it as a 2 horse race between MD and UC.  Everybody else is fighting for 3rd.

Kentucky Rankings:

#1 Union County

106 #12 - Trayce Eckman

113 #17 - Matthew Moore

126 #2 Sam Bacon

132 #2 Gabe Adams

138 #11 Trevor Pogue

145 #2 Payne Carr

152 #7 Dalton Russelburn

160 #9 Stephen Little

170 #1 Michah Ervin

182 #15 Darius Moore

220 #1 Mathias Ervin

#6 St. Xavier

106 #11 Matthew Meyer

113 #21 Conner Helgeson

120 #7 Nathan Ohlman

132 #5 Zach Pledger

145 #3 Nate wheeler

152 #5 Jimmy Kraezig

170 #24 Everett Marrett

220 #7 Benjamin Deprest

#11 Trinity

113 #5 Austin Hedges

138 #12 Ty Lehman

145 #4 Landon Lenhardt

170 #11 Jon Gaudin

195 #1 Kadin Kulmer

220 #16 R Lee Waggener