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In terms of reputation and expectation going into the state finals only, I'd say Blanton over Binion.  Stevenson over Sliga was only big if you haven't followed Stevenson's career and didn't know his national success. 

 

But the topic says, "Upset of the year."  For me, as others have said, that's definitely Dulaney over Ehr.  Nothing from either of their seasons could have suggested the outcome, and Ehr was a very legitimate title contender.   Blanton over Binion was perhaps the 7th or 8th best kid upsetting the 3rd or 4th best kid.  Goldman over Stevenson was possibly the 3rd best kid defeating the best kid.  Dulaney over Ehr was maybe the 40th best kid over potentially the 2nd best kid.  To me, that qualifies for upset of the year.

It's Delaney, not Dulaney.

The comparison isn't freshmen vs freshmen.  I'm comparing wrestling experience.  There is no difference skill-wise between the 103 pound freshman and the 260 pound junior, neither of whom have wrestled.  However, the big boy has a chance to go to state and the little guy has none.  The 103 pound raiser crowd say that it's unfair because the freshman 145 pounder can't even crack the line-up while a little guy makes varsity because of his size.  I think it's way more unfair to watch a behemoth actually qualify for state (a dream many deserving wrestlers never realize who have put in a lot of sweat and tears) with no wrestling skill than to watch a little guy get his varsity letter at the end of the season banquet.  So I really don't think I'm making a bad comparison here, I just don't think you're understanding what I'm saying.  

Maybe I am not reading what you are trying to say, but my point would be that you are still more likely to have a 103lb first year freshman wrestler make it to state than a 260lb first year freshman wrestler.  I have seen 103# freshmen who are first year wrestlers make it to SS, so making it to state in the same case, isn't an impossibility, with the right draw, and in the right year.

I wasn't at State this year, and haven't had a chance to watch the championship matches, yet, but if the wrestler you are using as an example is Harvey, I saw a lot of comments on how agile he was for a big guy, and I would say that agility is a valuable wrestling skill/attribute to have, in my opinion. 

And herein lies Y2's real distaste for the 103 pound weight class.  It's not the forfiets.  It's the fact that freshmen and sophs get a varsity letter just because they are small.  They get picked out of the hall by the wrestling coach because they are small and that's not fair to the 140 pound fresmen who have to toil at JV for a year or two before they can crack the varsity lineup.  However, what's the difference between grabbing a little freshman and grabbing a huge junior who has never wrestled a day in his life and throwing him into the lineup and then watching him qualify for state (see TaQuan Walker of Northside H.S. in Fort Wayne)?  I'll tell you the difference.  That little freshman a coach grabbed out of the hallway to wrestle 103 that never wrestled before will NEVER qualify for state in his first year.  Whereas, the massive junior who has never wrestled CAN qualify.  If I'm the 145 pound freshman toiling on the JV and you asked me which one ticked me off more, I'd definitely have to say the big boy would make me way madder.  The little guy paid his dues and was only awarded a varsity letter and a quick exit from Sectionals.  The big guy gets lauded for qualifying for state when so many more deserving wrestlers sit at home for state. 

You are making a bad comparison, here.  If you compare that 100lb freshman, to a 250lb freshman who never wrestled a day in his life being a state qualifier, then you have a good argument.  However, I don't recall any freshman hwts. that  never wrestled before qualifying for state.

Were they having audio difficulties on mat 4, or are these guys falling asleep?

I don't think the zip code has anything to do with it, they just want to know where you're watching from. I used my local zip for Greenwood and it's letting me watch them. Still not getting a feed from Mat 1 though.

This is correct.  The zip code is merely so they can track where their viewers are from.

Well, kind of.  I'm not wanting anyone's PhD thesis on the topic, but I wouldn't mind a simple statement of what it is exactly that could be seen as forbidden if a girl wrestles competitively against a boy.  I know scripture quite well, and I'm curious what the reasoning is.  That's all.  If it just doesn't "seem" like something womanly and that's all the answer I'll get, that's fine.  I don't want to be a jerk about it.  I'm honestly and truly just curious where people are coming from.

My personal understanding of this issue can be explained by something that my old coach, AJ Kalver, once said, when trying to recruit kids to wrestle.  AJ explained to these young men that "wrestling is a fight with rules".  Looking at our sport from that perspective, it makes perfect sense to me why a young man would say that his religious convictions would not allow him to be in a physical altercation with a female.

They could make it more fan friendly by not having the intermission where they kick everyone out of the stadium!

I stand corrected.  I think what stuck out to me was that he won state one year and didn't place the next.

I think you might have been confused on Galka because he was to wrestle 112 as a Sophomore and took a growth spurt once the season started that made him unable to do so.  He ended up wrestling 119 for the State series after a team mate at that weight was injured, if I recall correctly.

One problem with the college out of bounds rule being used in HS is that it would require larger mats than are often used now.  Many mats have too small of area beyond the lines.  I would oppose adding riding time, because I think it would encourage top man stalling.  But I also oppose giving the top man 10 seconds to turn, and then putting them on their feet.  I would prefer that we just have officials enforce stalling much better than they tend to, whether the stalling wrestler is top, bottom, or neutral. 

I'm part of the unpopular crowd on this issue.  I have no problem with girls being involved in wrestling---I actually woul dbe happy to support it.  I just think that they should only wrestle other girls.

With all of the wrestling pick 'em games going on, I thought I would throw something else out. 

The over/under on non-SS Champs winning a State Championship this year is set at 2. 

The over/under on non-SS Champs in the Championship match is set at 5. 

Predictions?

Thoughts and prayers for the Freidt Family! 

Darren Schortgen

I would say Raleys state title looks better on a resume then taking Tsirtsis to OT

I completely disagree!  A runner-up finish at an upperclassmen dominated weight is more impressive that a championship at a traditionally dominated freshmen weight.

I think you are down by around 200 Boos, to Andre Richards' dad.

I am really dumbfounded by this remark.  I think you misunderstood your coach there rockies62.  I would actually say the "better" wrestler won that day because of the fact that he did "break" Simpson.  On this topic though, what a heck of an effort by Garcia.  Can't remeber if it was Garcia or Garza who were attempting some foot sweeps, but definitely brought back some memories of a guy I know who used to hit those!

I agree with Paul.  When two wrestlers are of similar levels, the one who is a little better can break the other wrestler, not the other way around.  I've seen it happen quite a few times.

Top 3 from Carroll sectional @ 152 all made it through...

 

Lefever - Carroll

Streury - Leo

Delaney - Ft. Wayne Dwenger

 

This has happened a few times in the couple of years...

He was asking if the top 3 from the same sectional have finished as the top 3 in the state.

Top 3 has happened from the same conference, but not sure about same sectional.

Probably the best quote said on this thread.  As a father and former wrestler who was average at best, any young man or woman that steps out on the mat, who makes the commitment to the most grueling grinding sport there is, deserves total respect no matter what.  We are building these kids to be adults through this sport..no one is a joke.  This sport is not the end all do all of the world either.  I would venture to guess that out of all the kids running through Indiana HS wrestling programs we might have a very small percentage of people who carry this on to their future career, however, this sport builds character, work ethic, and a never say quit attitude...that's why I encourage my sons to do it.  Anyone taking a shot at a young man or woman has lost their way

Mike Speaker

Columbus North Bulldog Wrestling parent times 3

 

This deserves a "wahoo". 

I just watched the video.  That was a terrible call!  Siddons never lost the leg, so he never lost control.

 

wow!.....that's incredible.....sounds like quite the wrestler.....what happened to cut his life short?

I believe he died in auto accident the summer before  his senior year.  He was incredible to watch his junior year at state.

Nc I see us having Atleast 5 champs and 25 plus placers...

28 placers would be average.  25 placers isn't really very impressive.

I've seen this called quite a few times through the years.  In my opinion, it's done by weak, indecisive officials.  It's 2 or it's 0. 

I will start this out with Carter Delaney(Bishop Dwenger) by fall over  previously unbeaten Josh Ehr(South Adams) at FWSS.

Since comming to this board two years ago I have taken sides in a couple of "heated debates" (Class wrestling as an example). I stated my position and made arguments as to why I was on one side or the other. In the course of doing so I took some "Boos" from those who did not agree. Such is life. I have also made some post that got a few "Wahoos".

 

What I have a problem with is the chicken S#*! members who to this day feel the need to "Boo" members that disagreed with them a year ago, and do it without the manhood to say it openly. I do not consider myself one of the "controversial" board members. Nor do I have a problem with being "Booed" for taking a side in a discussion.

 

For those of you that take every opportunity to "Boo" a member for past disagreements, grow a set!

 

Rod

I share those sentiments, and have also given you a wahoo!

Research should be done, but I can't imagine these other states would do anything to weaken or take away from their product.  My guess is that they figured they could make more money. More money is a good thing.

Exactly!  Someone posted numbers on Wisconsin, which is a comparable state to Indiana.  That is what the IHSAA needs to see!