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Does anyone has the data for the average grade per weight class and age for the state finals??
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Not sure what you mean. I mentioned 2 coin flips and both were correct. Garcia beat Rooks and Combest won out of that trio, although he finished 3rd, not 4th. Sorry if the quality of my picks disappointed you.
Your other picks that you were more confident didn't pan out as well..
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In order...
106 - Mills, Egli, Garcia, Casebolt - Flipped several coins to decide Garcia over Rooks. Went w/ one common opponent Nate Wheeler of St. X (KY). Garcia won, Rooks lost. Then went w/ Egli on a flyer.
113 - Mosconi, Annakin, Weaver, Horty
120 - Rooks, Luigs, Mulkey, Hunt
126 - Hudkins, Gomez, Dillbeck, Combest/Pritchett/Craig (I flipped a coin and it landed on its side)
132 - Lee, Elpers, Molloy, Sellmer
138 - Lee, Ramsey, McCoy, Reese - I WANTED to pick Jourdan, but just can't see Lee losing in the ticket round 2 years in a row
145 - Lee, Bethel, Crowl, Burke
152 - Dunn, Lehman, Herrin, Clark
160 - Whitaker, Van Horn, Farmer, O'Neal
170 - Walton, Hays, Dull, Dowell
182 - Damler, Dalton, McKinley, Dial
195 - Wilderman, McCormick, Robinson, Lee
220 - No clue
285 - Pick one of York, Henson, Ripple & Klem out of the hat
Many of your coin flips were not close... Maybe want to try the magic 8 ball next time
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How did everyone's predictions go? Any big surprises?
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Franklin stuck Combest last year at Regionals. He may not pin him but I think franklin will win.
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Ok thanks team Garcia , I knew he had injured his left knee at the beginning of the season I didn't know if it was the same injury or a new one.. Hopefully he is ok , he is a good kid.
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What happened to Pritchett? I didn't hear anything about him getting hurt , I just saw he got beat to masconi ??
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Nick south beat Noah Franklin at 126 as predicated
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Nick south (Jennings County) beat Noah Franklin(new Washington) (126) at Jeffersonville Regional ... South controlled the entire match...
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I am not saying anything negative about the "jv" kids wrestling against varsity kids..I agree any mat time for kids is good mat time but you shouldn't count those wins for sectionals seeding unless it is common opponents .. Because some coaches won't count the losses .. Also any varsity match involving a wrestler win or loss counts towards their seeding no matter if it is up or down ..For whatever reason it seems acceptable to some coaches to manipulate results to their favor when seeding kids ..
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You can call it what you want varsity B, or Oldanbroke's definition "JV". But its a good developmental system for teams with depth to keep kids developing, getting experience and also to keep them motivated to stay out. I know some teams with 2nd string varsity kids or "varisty B" if you will have had kids that were state level.
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Busstogate
The inflated record was in reference to varsity teams wrestling Jv teams not small teams..Some of the best wrestlers in state come from small schools.
If a kid is the schools #1 kid at that weight regardless of how good he is then that is a varsity match..
If a varsity school has a dual team tournament where there are 4 b or jv teams ( not the schools best team) those should not count as varsity wins come sectional time or for the dual stats..
Also your overall record regardless of what weight classes you wrestle should count in the seeding.. If a kid bumps up and beats a ranked kid , the coach will use that to his advantage in the seeding meeting but the matches lost on a bump up don't count againist you or if a kid cuts a weight class and all his losses were at his old weight don't count?... I think that is shady...
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Leaveitonthemat
I totally agree with your assessment LN&LC ,both wrestle large schools and tough competition
I have two main points with this post
1.When coaches change their schedules to make this situation happen , you are hurting our sport and I think it is on the edge of dishonest (unless those teams are in your conference)
2.These coaches are hurting their kids as well as other kids that this affects...
Wrestling has become my favorite sport because any kid can complete regardless of size,economic condition and creed..95%of the time the correct hand gets raised ...
These stats and records did not affect me on any level besides I think it is shady and I wish that the coaches that do this would stop..
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Littlevito
I know it is the wrestlers fault , it is the coaches or AD that change the schedule to make it easier... You can see that in the dual records but when they get into decent tournament, the team fails...
I know it is factored in when scoring for the team state meet , it is just sad that teams would do that... Nothing againist any kids , they can wrestle what is scheduled..
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I was wondering how many sectionals were like the sectional I attended this year,where seeded wrestlers with good records didn't hold up?? I am not talking about a kid who got caught , I am saying after looking up multiple weight classes , many kids wrestled other teams wIth JV kids (not taking away from the jv kids or teams) or you look up a kid in their conference tournament and they are like 23-8 , look at sectionals and their record shows 18-4.. Their total varsity record should be used for that year correct ?? Also noticed many larger schools wrestling smaller schools with mostly forfeits... ( not taking away from small schools , they have as tough as kids as anyone) just seems like a lot record padding , it costs the schools that actually try to complete againist the best... There are schools that don't attend their own conference dual so they can host their own duals composed of mostly jv teams and really small schools ... So you go into sectionals with no head to head matches .. Wrestling itself is the fairest sport I have ever been apart of but I think some coaches have found ways to get around the rules in place to get a advantage ..just wondering if anyone else has seen this
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I would take sellmer with a 4-5 point win over Bullock...
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in Past Discussions
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120 Rooks vs hunt , I will take Rooks
126 Holmes vs De LaPena I will take Holmes
126 Combest vs Becker , I will take Combest
152 Dunn vs Johnson , I will take Johnson
145 Timberman vs Rodriguez , Timberman gets that one